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A PUBLIC and Civil Discussion on the Rules


#372

Didn’t mean to target him…sheesh he’s merely given some suggestions and you’re all jumping at him.

ETA - I’ve also amended titles in my time, as previously stated. So please don’t single out Grub.


#373

I am too. But not apart from the OPs consent. Surely we can attempt to involve the author before making changes, yes? And what if the author doesn’t want the title changed? Should a “regular” just be allowed to change it anyway?


#374

To be clear I wasnt calling anyone on the forum out, least of all you. I had to quit a forum I really cared about because I couldn’t take rewording of my every phrase. My edited posts are still on that forum as my words. . .which speaks to @SthrnMixer’s earlier point.

You know I like your style!


#376

I hear what you guys are saying about the titles.

Letting others edit titles is somewhat akin to letting them edit posts, because the title is part of the post. This feels disrespectful and rude to some who have their titles changed. However, some feel that being able to edit titles is not a big deal because it happens rarely and is only meant to improve the title for readability/search-ability/etc. This is still not seen as a good enough reason to allow the titles to be edited unless by a moderator, because it is imposing your own will onto another.

I’ve said I will look into it. Can we leave it at that?

Also, I know Tavi. :slight_smile: Just stating it for the public record.


#378

To be fair, Grubby inserted himself into the conversation. I wasn’t trying to single him out, but rather have him answer some pointed questions in reply to his assertions.

Was I disrespectful? I certainly wasn’t trying to be. As for your editing of other’s titles, I’m sure it was with good intentions. But let me ask…did you speak with the author about it first? Did they get the opportunity to say yes or no to your proposed changes? Personally I think that’s the least that should be done.


#379

To be fair, no. But I did send them a message to explain what I’d done and why I’d done it - they were all brand new users and the titles (imho) wouldn’t have gained much traffic.

I do appreciate your point about asking first.


#380

Naw, really wasn’t singling him out, he just provided an excellent example I could expand on to show my point of view. Of why mods should be they only ones editing members posts.

I didn’t resort to vulgar insults, or name calling. Thought I was rather polite about it…


#381

You were indeed. Civil discussion always encouraged, right?


#382

6 posts were split to a new topic: Silly Tavi…What am I gonna do with you?


#384

If I ever needed to be calmed down then for the life of me I don’t know when that was. Yeah, I’m passionate about the subject. But would folks rather me just keep my head down and my mouth shut…go along to get along? I don’t think so either. None of us should.

@JoJo thanks for your input.


#389

Another Libertarian here so I say to hell with the rules.:tada: I believe my legally married gay neighbor has the right to defend his legally growing pot plants with his legally concealed deadly weapon.:fist:
This has always and will always be a great community because the majority of it’s members are nice and respectful of each other.
I do feel that personal attacks and insults should not be tolerated.
My .02 cents , peace and love people!:kissing_heart::hugs:


#390

And they wont be. Fair warning to all, while banning people has been a last resort in the past that is no longer the case.

From here forward the mods have the option to give one a time out. Ive made a lot of friends here, and some not friends too, but i want everyone to know that it doesnt matter, everyone is on equal ground.


#391

I however tend to disagree with the attacks and insults. If someone is not being defended correctly and that person was asked civilly to stop the harassment. I will not hesitate to defend someone that needs it. Sorry, but you can put me in time out, I will get my point across that you are being a douchenozzle. (Not you, just if there was a situation.)


#392

Uh, I feel I should ask before logging on (lest I be bannished from the realm). Can you clarify how the rules apply to Discord? We can still beat @Joel like a circus monkey in there, right?


How Forum Rules Apply to Discord
#393

Discord, rules? I think everything is good the way it is over there. If not we can make any number of sub channels so that we can continue to beat him like a red headed step child. Oh wait, im a red headed step child. Beat him like he stole the syrup!


#394

So does that mean we should beat you like a red headed step child in discord?

**** Warning this is starting to get off topic *******


#395

I taking a few beatings in my day but im old now so please direct all beatings to Aaron.

Lets get this train back on the tracks. When we first started discussing rule enforcement i said that discord would remain as it is followed by “for now”. In the time we have been using chat i have gotten just one complaint. Things are different there and i would like it to stay that way but change is inevitable, like when we moved from IRC to discord.

BUT there we can have specific channels with attached warnings, aint anyone walking into one without knowing wtf it is about.


#396

My best suggestion so far (was there a second place? Probably not).

Anyway:

  1. Lars works with staff to build a ruleset he’s comfortable with concerning forum activity and membership.

  2. Staff enforces them.

No need to be asking us weebles for input. It’s becoming evident that the stress you’re feeling is causing real issues. Are the rules as written sufficient in you guys’ minds? Perfect. We live by them or we don’t fraternize here. Easy. We understand why you opened it up. You care. That’s most excellent. But as evidenced by a lot of back-and-forth, and even ugly personal attacks, it can be quite a kettle of fish to fry when it’s openly debated. End of the day it is Lars’ site, not ours. Anyone who believes otherwise is mistaken. Anyone with an issue with a rule as written can address it with staff offline. Opinions are like, well, we know. Get too many in one room and you’ll soon need to open a window or three.

Should it really be allowed to get so contentious that a staff member has to log off and GTFO for a while? No. If I was in any way a part of that, I sincerely apologize. But staff is staff and genpop is genpop for a good reason. You run the shop, we just hang out here. We don’t have to get out mops and lysol for spills. You do.


#397

I’d have to agree with you on this 100%. Or more teaching about new flavors and what mixes well and goes well together.

I know all these rules are really important to keep everything on track pursay but it starts to feel so frustrating to see this, the main issue for days on end. I’m sorry please dont be offended here. I’m not trying to do that at all. I think the voting sounds great and I’m all for that @JoJo.

I just wish I could come here and see new and innovative talk about recipes and flavors! I remember it was like that when I came here a year ago. It would be great to have a mixing group here and start getting creative together!!

That just my two cents. I’m not trying to dismiss any discussions about the rules or anything. I’m just being kindly honest.


#398

Excerpt from a legal advice site. Dovetails nicely with what JoJo has written in guidlines: