Hi all, I’m new to making liquids I’ve read lots but still find it all so confusing…I’ve made some up from other people’s recipes which is great but how do I go about creating a recipe from scratch that I would want to create for example if I wanted to create a nutty banana caramel glazed donut (I know very specific lol) how would I start this with flavours and brands
to use what percentages what little extras to add in too boost the flavours I’ve just spent about 200 on concentrates too start me off…? I love cakey, bakery, custards not really a fruity guy.
I’ve been vaping for around a year now and have various setups I revolve my favourite at the moment is the dovpo Mvv with the rebirth with dual fraliens running at 0.16ohms and then my limitless v2 with drop dead with dual flaptons running 0.11ohms both great flavour chuckers but I want to make my own liquids to enjoy with them and my ever evolving builds.
Just using your recipe as an example, I would first decide which flavors I wanted to be up front, like I would want the donut and caramel up front with the nuts and bananas as an accent, so I would make a caramel donut recipe first, get that where I liked the ratios, and then add in the other flavors a little at a time until I found something I liked, there is probably a quicker way but that would be how I would attack it. The more recipes you make the better feel you will have for what flavors work at what percentages, and in the meantime you can start with the median mixing % in the flavor notes on the recipe side and adjust to taste. Single flavor testing can also help you, but some people don’t gain anything from it and are still good mixers. If you provide a link to your flavor stash some people might be able to give you ideas, but it will just be a starting point as what tastes good to me might not taste good to you. Another thing you could do is take someone else’s recipe that you enjoy and start making small changes to it and see what happens, and take notes, this will give you a good idea of how to mix your own stuff but you get to start with a recipe you already like. Good luck and don’t be afraid to ask more questions!!
You can just buy a lot of flavors, look at the labels, pick out the ones that you think would go together and start mixing. It’s as simple as that.
Without extensive knowledge about flavor concentrates, how these flavors work (taste, off taste, density, strength, mouth feel, steeping etc) and interact with each other, it’s unlikely that you’re going to whip out 5 star recipe after 5 star recipe. You can always get lucky and hit the jackpot from the first try, but a lot of recipes are developed over several months to get it just where the creator wanted it to be.
Steeping is an important factor in why this can all take so long. If you cook a cake, you get the final result after an hour or two. With liquids, it can take weeks to steep and if you have to adjust your %s, you’re in for a long wait again. Custards and bakeries are a bit notorious for that…
Worm gave you some great threads to go through to get you up to speed, but honestly speaking, it’s worth skimming through the whole forum and picking up whatever information is useful to you. I’d start by picking out #e-liquids:beginners and go through all the pinned posts.
If you have specific requests and want help with the creation of a recipe, you can always reach out to fellow mixers. You can post a new topic in #e-liquids:recipes with a specific request or if you’re working on a recipe and need help with it:
Keep in mind that the quality of help is often related to how much time and effort you put in it too. Give proper descriptions about what you tried, what works and what not, what you’re after, keep your flavor stash up-to-date, public and share it so that others can see what you’re working with.
For every flavor you buy…sit down and do a flavor test. (You can find single flavor testing information everywhere.) If you want to start mixing your own liquids it is paramount that you familiarize yourself with the properties of each flavor you plan to use.
Not gonna lie. It can sometimes be a lengthy process, so if you are the impatient type you’ll need to learn patience as well. Copying someone else’s recipe is fine for starters but you’ll get a deeper sense of accomplishment when you can churn out your very own.
@TorturedZen is correct. If you want to compose from flavours you’ll need to know them.
Adapting recipes is not bad either and can be done in parallel. You find something you like, you substitute something for something else using other’s experiences. Pretty error prone but usually you get something useable out of it.
Say in your case, you find a great caramel glazed doughnut, another recipe that uses banana and nuts and you combine the two making a guess about how to do this from a third recipe.
Agreeing with all of that above. Not much time to post today so I’m just throwing something in here quickly.
You could throw the butterscotch cream pie out, and replace by (WF) deep fried pastry dough +/or/and (WF) Glazed Donut. If you don’t want Wonder Flavours bakery, you could try (FA) zeppola, or look into tpa (example: banana cream, banana nut bread) cap, fw.
Another banana I could recommend besides the WF is banana custard by vape train Australia (vta)
Thank you I have spent a lot of time today doing just this looking at differentiations of recipes to try and bring something together see how that goes then adapt from there I also attempted my first recipe of my own today, I have made them all public so people can comment on them. I’m absolutely loving this and believe you can’t ,I’ve forward without learning and ,asking mistakes to better yourself in every walk of life.
Welcome to ELR, Nathan! I hope your new mixes work out well. You’re on the right path, for sure!
A tip on publishing (making public) your mixes…
You don’t really need to make them public to get comments or advice. In fact, there are so many recipes popping up every few minutes, that it’s probably the least effective method. You’ll be on page 6 in a couple of hours.
There is also the clutter factor. If you haven’t mixed and tested the recipe and added some notes about it, it’s just a list of ingredients that very few people will find interesting if they happen to click on it. It’s a good idea to say a little something about what you were going for, why you chose the flavors you chose, how it turned out after mixing, steeping, etc. There are thousands of recipes with no notes, and they just clog up the works, making it difficult to find anything inspiring.
If you want real feedback or advice, tips, encouragement… hit the wrench icon near the title of your recipe and click “share recipe privately”. The page will refresh and you can find a long url at the bottom of the page to copy and paste over here in the forum. There are a few threads dedicated to unfinished (WIP) mixes, ideas, or mixes you consider good and want to share for feedback, or need help with.
And for mixes you are stuck on and can’t get to taste right:
This is just food for thought, you can do it how you like. I just don’t want you to be discouraged if nobody leaves a comment on your recipe over there on the calculator side.
Right on, hope I didnt come off as preachy! Notes are a great idea just for your own benefit, too. They don’t matter too much if you’re sharing unpublished mixes on the forum, you can write about it when you post, and make notes on the recipe before you go public.
There’s no right or wrong to making notes either. They’re there for you, primarily, but very helpful to others wanting some insight.
As mentioned many times, most users do not realize that anything they enter is published, even if that was not the intention. Often that is misunderstood, and cryptic notes that are meant for personal eyes are inadvertently published. I am letting Nathan know that in case he was not aware (as you noticed that I did mention that he should enter a note if he wants to do so for public consumption but be aware that all entries will be public ones regardless). Always being argumentative, my friend. Take a rest sometimes.