Iâve also tried some of the RF flavors and found that some of them are great and yet some are weak. I also found that some of them fade pretty bad after 3-4 weeks! @Amy2 be able to help u put because i believe she is also PG sensitive.
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I donât know where in the world you are but Chefs has quite a selection of VG flavours and the shipping is not that expensive to the US if thatâs were you are.
Thereâs another one but I donât know about their shipping fees.
https://www.justvape247.com/vg-flavours-1/?sort=alphaasc&page=3
You could just look if they sell those brands in the US.
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I use Max vg also and use 1% DW. No more. And yes, RF is weak. If allowed to steep a full 30 days, the flavor gets weaker and also develops a weird off taste, specifically the bakery flavors. RF vanilla custard is good when used around 1% in conjunction with other brands. Yumberry is good but weak as hell in max vg. I bought a lot of RF during the hype and wished I hadnât. Iâd say use up what you have and try Natures Flavors extracts.
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If you dont find a resolution to your problem, my only suggestion is to try Medicine Flower flavor extracts next.
https://www.goodearthbeauty.com/catalog/flavor-extracts
Expensive but very low % needed, most 1% or less. Free shipping from this store and 10% off with this code:
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Good luck!!
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I totally agree with this.
I donât get the part about moving away from RF, though. In the recipes I have that use them, the ones that have gone past 1 month steeping have been great! But, i donât mix with Just RF, and not many people do. Like most mixers, I mix and match brands for different aspects particular flavors impart. RF, MF, NF and a few other random PG-free flavors from different brands can combine very nicely and overcome any one brandâs deficiencies. I do add 15% PG to mine, but have made tests of many of them without it and they are great with just a little extra steeping.
Here is an example of a brand combination that is rich and full of flavor. Iâm vaping it right now on only day 2 of steeping and it is fantastic. It is also one that holds nicely after a month of steeping:
Hereâs another example of combining brands:
These both translate well to PG-free by omitting the PG from the recipes.
You will find lots of opposing opinions on RFSC. Some love, some hate, some meh. Iâm sure itâs the same with other brands and certain flavors from particular brands. Itâs something you have to find out for yourself. If you find some you hate, there are probably others who would trade flavors or mixes for them.
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Hey 
I remember you posting about this before, Really sorry to hear that youâre having such problems getting your mix right 
I guess itâs very much like starting mixing all over again from scratch,
Being a fan of Medicine Flower, myself, I pretty much agree with @netweight, but with a couple of caveats:
- Most of the MF flavours need a really long steep (like, a month minimum) I shouldnât think youâre up for that right now
- youâre in Germany, I think? In that case, if youâre gonna try MF, youâll be better off buying the Botanic Elixir (MF dilutions) from Vapour Depot in the UK. Postage will likely be cheaper and investment in concentrates much smaller .
But for now, you might be better off trying out Flavour Hubâs own brand VG-based concentrates , Theyâve got hundreds to choose from, and the great thing about them is theyâre ready to vape within a week- yes, even in 100VG mixes. The downside is theyâre very dilute, and youâll definitely need to use at the recommended % (15-20% ) in most cases, but hey! this is as near to instant gratification as youâre likely to get. and i guess you can use some instant gratification ATM!
I used to really ove their lemonade but they seem to have messed with the recipe, so I now mix it with- guess what? - RF lemonade!
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Oh! BTW, do be guided by the % given in the flavour tasting notes here on the forum and on the recipe side of the site. Iâve found that oft-given advice to increase the % if youâre mixing 100VG to be very misleading. Makes no difference to %, in my experience, it only makes a difference to steep time. , like others have pointed out, over-flavouring with most of these flavours leads to a loss flavour, not the expected increase in flavour! Annoyingly , if you want maximum flavour, you have to hit the % just right, no way round that.
Good luck!
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What I donât understand is why there is almost no one saying that around here.
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@anon478949 I can tell you I did EXTENSIVE testing on a wide array of RF SCâs all done @ 2.5%. All were mixed @ 70v/30p @ 3mg NIC. Now, realizing I do not have a PG allergy, this may NOT be an apples to apples comparison, but I found them to be really good at that strength. ALL testing was done on the same Steam Crave v. 1 3ml tank with kanthal coils ohming about .30 ohms, and any where from 30-45w. We all know that VG is NOT the best flavor carrier, but I donât know how much of a difference my 30% PG would make compared to your max VG.
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oh! another thing: Iâm MTL myself, and I find the Aspire Nautilus X tank works really well with most of my VG juices (though it burns a few of the flavours) Itâs not the tank so much as the unique design of the coils, I guess. I most often use the 1.8 ohm coil at around 12-14W, but I sometimes stick in one of their lower-resistance coils (0.6 or 1,2 ohm) marketed for the PockEx AIO for a change. . They fits nicely, never mind what the makers say.
In any case, those coils get really hot! They gunge up after a few days , but then I soak them in vodka. They usually last me weeksâŚif I manage to avoid dry hits, And they are really reliable, So they donât work out as pricey as you might think.
If you want to try that set -up, I think youâll definitely need to lower the DW % a bit, or else it will spit like the blazes. Oh! also under-fill the tank. a bit, because you just donât get a very good draw on it if the little windows at the side of the coil are completely submerged.
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No idea. Think most use a pg/vg blend and donât notice the flavor drop? Other than the RF vanilla custard, I donât use RF anymore but donât want to give it away either
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I mean its awesome that people recommend gear and percentage, but and thatâs no offense, he shouldnât have to get different mods/atties/DL/mtl setups/changes just to taste a flavor?
I donât use RF so I canât say nothing about that, but yes in general and in my humbled opinion, even the slightest amount of pg is different than full VG juices.
Now since he canât or doesnât want pg, max VG juices, again in my opinion do need higher percentages. Not sure about rf tho, and they do steep forever.
Now Iâm already not a fan of snv because it doesnât work for me, great if it does for others, but I couldnât imaging max VG too be snv. Iâm probably wrong as usual, but max VG with VG nic and VG flavors, I wouldnât doubt a 1-3 month steep as others mentioned.
Good luck man, hope you can get it too work somehow.
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true, but if youâre switching from vaping PG-based juices to 100VG (as he has) then you might need to change your kit,
Personally, I avoid making hardware recommends , cos hundreds of otheras round here are much better qualified. But then, as one of the very few PG-free MTL vapers round here, I figured it would be mean of me not to mention what works for me, in terms of kit !
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In ordinary situations, Iâd say thatâs good advice.
Unfortunately, in this case, and with the OPâs particular problems (having already stated that theyâve tried extremely high values of DW [>5%], and also having issues with over 3% PGâŚ), I am of the opinion that no less than the raw (pure) MF extracts (undiluted) have a chance of working.
Simply because, as you just noted Botanic Elixirs is diluted. In what? And how much? I donât know. But to maximize the chances of success, it seems to me (like woftam, netweight, and others have implied)⌠He/she needs the most potent flavors that he/she can lay hands on.
@anon478949
To my bit of experience, the two lead horses out of the gate are MF (price be damned, this is the ideal reason where necessity dictates a try for purely physical reasons IMO), and FLV.
Nice secondary considerations (again, IMO) would be Inawera (almost always under 3% required) and NF (again, already mentioned). Another potential brand that Iâve had only limited experience with, but is so far leaning towards really low percentages, is Hangsen.
Being an MTL user, and still experiencing PG issues royally SUCKS. I feel for you.
More importantly, I hope that you continue to persevere, at least long enough to get past the point of tobacco dependency. As thatâs the main concern!
I hope that you are able to find your niche.
Weâre rooting for you!
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Quite a few of us have. And those thoughts have been repeatedly posted in varying threads.
Itâs just not leaderboard (subject/headline) worthy for most.
Thereâs also quite a few folks who actually enjoy them. /shrugs
Just another of the prime candidates for YMMV. 
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10% dilution in VG. Sorry, I should prolly have linked to my thread about 'em but was feeling lazy.
A few people have found them less potent, but usually if you just multiply the usual pure MF % by ten, they work just fine, in my experience, Just donât go for those rare flavours that need about 2% pure MF (Green Apple!)
Iâm thinking the guy surely isnât gonna be in the mood to invest in excess of ÂŁ20 per flavour for the pure stuff. (much though I wish people would! ) .
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I get that (again, from a ânormalâ standpoint), but this is a rare exception where physical needs outweigh price issues.
Even when considering the initial outlay, he/she will still be coming in far cheaper (per unit) than what theyâd spend on smoking/tobacco. But, more importantly, theyâd be potentially meeting the physical needs/requirements, which is the sole/primary goal as I understand it.
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Oh! absolutely! but will he have the faith to try it, at that cost, after so much disappointment with RF? plus the patience to wait for it to steep? (though, frankly the BE dilutions donât cut down on steep times 
, so no advantage there)
Well, only maxvapee can answer that, but At least weâve managed to suggest a range of options between us , which I daresay is better than just one option. 
Anyways, the reason why Iâm throwing in yet another repkly, is that it just srtuck me he can vape unflavoured juice for a while, until he finds something that works⌠though heâs prolly thought of that for himself, and is prolly resorting to that already.
Anyway, Iâve done that myself at times, and found it surprisingly pleasant, if a little bit boring. Itâs much better than weakly flavoured juice at any rate. Thatâs just too tantalising.
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It would be nice if that was true, we could all just buy the FLAVOR setup, or the CLOUD setup. Iâve done countless comparisons to my Steam Craves, and most fall short. Iâve tried highly rated setups, and most just donât taste as good as my SCâs, but thatâs me. I donât think my lowly, old, Steam Crave v.1 is a state of the art, cutting edge unit at all, but damn, it just tastes good, so thatâs what I personally choose for all my critical testing. I use other SCâs for my daily drivers, basically taste the same, with air flow and juice flow, with bigger tanks.
You shouldnât have to buy ONE setup just to taste a flavor, but if flavorâs what youâre after, then choosing things that excel at flavor is never a bad idea. I remember when my (older) OBS Engine came out, many raved about it, I got one, set it up exactly the same as my SC v.1 and did a side by side, and it was NO comparison. Everyone tastes different. If he DOES have a setup that tastes good to him, and he still canât find a sweet spot for the RF SCâs, then maybe theyâre not for him. My .02.
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