Not really, I mean in terms of respect for the rules and basic decency. But I guess having those badges would prove for example that you’ve done your reading and are aware of how things work around here.
It’s not because you don’t agree with something and want to discuss it that you should mess things up. We’re all adults and should behave like it.
I’m not sure if there are a lot of trolls here, ELR is nothing like youtube. But in case there are, it’s not difficult to block accounts or IP addresses for people who are willfully misbehaving and ruining it for others.
If I owned a company that specialized in creating e-juices. I would definitely inquire about licensing this site-code and structure for a private in-house web-app for flavor makers.
It is just that awesome of an app for a group to collaborate on projects.
lol no, not at all, what I’m looking for is a solution for the flavor mess… I’m just thinking out loud, throwing up ideas how to get there like many others have already done.
There have been a few. Nothing drastic. And it’s not so much they are willfully misbehaving as much as it is stubbornness and flat-out defiance.
I’ve interacted with some users recipe side that would have been perfectly content with their incorrectly named flavors, had I not responded and commented. I mean let’s face it, some people in this world don’t like being told what to do and that they are wrong. Their walls come up instinctively.
Disclaimer: I don’t tell them they’re wrong, they perceive it that way.
I think it’s a terrible idea. Some people have reasons for naming things as they do. “That’s what’s on my bottle” is a perfectly legitimate point to make and a perfectly legitimate reason for them to keep that name in their stash. Other people have custom flavors that they mix as a stone, a dilution or create as an NET. There’s no way to standardize that.
It makes more sense to create categories. 1 - Standard name 2 - DIY and 3 - uncategorized. This way all the non standard names will get dumped into #3 and we can sort to exclude them the same way we sort to exclude single flavor recipes.
At the same time, we could be able to set our defaults when entering our stash. The same way we can check the box “Use manufacturers specific gravity” we can check the box “use standard naming conventions” at which point the drop down would include only the standard versions.
I’ve suggested a system like this multiple times, where everybody works with approved flavors.
If someone comes with a new flavor, the mixer can enter it in the database where it gets a pre-approved status. He/she can work with it in private recipes and only publish those once the flavors get an approved status.
Moderators will still need some work dealing with pre-approved flavors, but those won’t be a burden anymore on the 1000’s of other people using this site.
Other sites are using approved flavors too, you really don’t need to reinvent the wheel.
@anon28032772 Well shit, I didn’t know that. @Mizzz_Z_Hobbit Although we may disagree on some things, I appreciate you taking the time to reply, AND, by making a clear case, as to why not. Thank you.
I find this a bit of an egocentric reason to cause disturbance to other people. This is a community where your actions have an effect on other users, it’s not a personal website where you only work in your own personal workspace.
Every community has some rules to let things go smooth and have a little standardization.
This is not necessarily true. People can still make a NET or stone, and if they provide a proper description about it so that others can work with it too (stones), there’s no reason why this “flavor” shouldn’t be approved and entered in the database. I realize it’ll be a bit different for NETs, but there are technical solutions for everything.
@Mizzz_Z_Hobbit I didn’t realize other websites were already using an approved/pending approval system, but I actually thought about this lil’ problem for a while, and I felt bad for the mods / staff here, because the current system where anything can be added to the database, it just seemed as an endless “chasing your tail” trying to correct (after the fact) something that would never STAY corrected. It truly seems/seemed the only way to address it was on the front end. NOW, with THAT said, I actually CAN see your “it’s on the bottle” point as well, and am trying to think how I organize my bottles, stash, and how I actually look for, and look up flavors to dig deeper into what I actually do, in regards to this.
NET are flavor extracts you make at home from your own tobacco or whatever… it’s not as straight forward as saying my stone is 20% this, 30% that and 50% something else.
But I’m sure there’s space in any database for those as well, just give it a proper name and description should be enough no?
Whose ego are you concerned with though? It’s not the new mixer’s fault that rebottlers are changing the names of flavors and brands. Maybe my perspective is very different from yours and from any of the people complaining about this. To me, this isn’t an issue of “these new people screwing up the database with wrong names” I see it more as “these new people won’t get the most out of the data base unless they know to use standard names.”
Most of the people I see pitching a fit about this naming issue are experienced enough to navigate around the unconventional names anyway making it a non-issue for them. The main issue is creating the most accurate data for all of us but especially for those who don’t know the tricks to fiddling with the calc.
