I would help also. At the moment I am not working so I have a bit of time
Awesome, awesome, awesome post JoJo!!
Thank you for all that great info in one spot! Might I suggest making that a sticky somewhere? (I bookmarked it, but I think itās definitely something that would be greatly beneficial for new folks to see and know, as well as a wonderful reminder to others to be able to revisit once in awhile!)
Side note: not calling you out by any means, and it could have been an error in procedure on my part (probably my part, being new) , but I know I lost notes 6 or 8 months ago when there was a merge. Itās foggy, but I remember being confused on seeing two, and didnāt know which was my original, and which was the new one, and chaos ensued. Bottom line, I remember deleting one, then doing a browser refresh, and they were both gone (I figured it was a glitch due to being named the same). Iāve slept since then, so I canāt be much more specific unfortunately. =/
Regardless, I can (and do) fully appreciate all that managing this behemoth that is ELR encompasses. And I love you guys for all your hard work! Managing sites and databases is a huge and often thankless job. you both! (Lars & JoJo)
Dang it @CallMeTut, donāt give any big ideas, Iām hoping to make recipes from each and every flavor manā¦Come onā¦
Iāll have to go back and add some dupes to my stash and merge them and see what happens. I was pretty sure everything merged well, but Iāll look into it. May have been a glitch or it may be that notes do disappear. That would suck.
Hi @JoJo!
Iāve sent over some suggestions using dupe checker. When you have chance, please will you let me know if Iām doing it right (Iāll hold fire doing anymore until then in case Iām making the task worse!)
Yep, looks good! Thanks
Uhā¦I didnāt even think to look for Nicotine being a flavor. Go ahead.
Hey JoJo, take a look at my stash when you get time. Nicotine is one of the primary things I was hoping to keep ādistinguishedā (separated) from the rest, as mentioned above.
If you do decide that itās more important to merge things, Iāll understand, but would definitely appreciate a heads up first, so I can save those notes into my personal files first!
Also, the reason for the preceding dash and space ("- Nicotine") format, is to keep those items at the very top of the flavor list, since pg/vg/nic are relevant to ALL mixes (for the majority) of users. There is a method to my madness!
Like flavors, as we all know, Nicotine is not created equal! lol
Is there a reason why you have them as a flavor and donāt use the calculators PG/VG/Nic?
Primarily the notes. Thereās a ton of folks that Iāve never seen in the forums who use the recipe sideā¦ So I feel notes there are just as valid/valuable as the great information in threads here. JMHO and YMMV!
Ah okay. I wonāt merge any that are branded, just the ones that are generic into one generic one. That sound like a decent compromise?
If I remember correctly there were 153 different ānicotineā ingredients listed as flavors and something like 200 different āsweetnerā listings
Just to understand correctly notes are not being moved over correctlyā¦?
Any idea if the ārecipe use inā is being transferred? I looked at a number of āstrange thingsā like ā#1 Flavorā and in the information of it, in the recipes used with, would be ā#3 Flavorā neither of which would have notes as to what these things actually were.
@JoJo that sounds great! Thank you!
@CallMeTut I definitely agree that the majority could be merged! And Iām not trying to play Devilās advocate, nor go against you bud. I just want to make sure that the baby doesnāt get thrown out with the bathwater!
One thing I would suggest about āsweetenersā (as a category) though is to make sure and keep groupings in mind. Some are 20% (like Cap super sweet), some are 10%, some are 5%, some are Stevia, etc. Each is wholly different, and deserves itās place IMO.
Anything that isnāt distinguished in any way should be ālumped togetherā. Again, JMHO.
EDIT: Perhaps something like the following:
- Sweetener, sucralose 20% (Cap)
- Sweetener, sucralose 10% (NN, OOO, etc)
Etc - Sweetener (Stevia)
- Sweetener (EM, Bubble Gum, etc)
I realize, that due to affiliate links being the way they are (functionality wise) thatās why they have remained separate this far. But I canāt think of any other way to cut down all the branding (as clearly shown I in the pic that Tut so kindly took the time to share) without violating the link process. The majority of those āsub-brandsā (ie: OOO, TFA, NN, etc) are probably going to fall squarely into the 10% sucralose category.
Not seeing ya playing devilās advocate at all! When Iāve been requesting merges Iāve been trying not to add anything that said ābaseā, ādiyā, or adding known abbreviations for companies into a āgenericā flavor. For the most part, I until I looked at sweeteners or thought about nic/pg/vg, I was just adding together things like all the same named ingredients (like there are about 70 some Apricots) and merging the tpa, TPA, and tfa into the TPA, Capella into CAP, and anything that wasnāt in a real catagory into a generic āApricotā mostly if they had a ā0ā in the area of recipes used inā¦:
In that picture above LorAnn Apricot had a ā0ā in the recipes used in, but since it was a known vendor I wouldnāt have asked for it to be merged, I was just looking at getting some of the other things cleaned up a bit if possible.
That lorann apricot with 0 is a dupe and could be merged to the one that is LA. Guess I should add that to this list.
Iām looking into the notes thing. I thought they stuck, but Iām gonna make sure. I was thinking any user input data stayed even if the flavor was merged.
If you need a guinea pig for this, I volunteer. I made corresponding notes for Cappuccino FA and Italian Relax because theyāre the same flavor but Bull City sells it as Cappuccino, only using Italian in the description. They do the same with Red Touch strawberry but I donāt have any notes for that.
I absolutely agree with you, and Iām glad you brought it up! As in the process, Iāve learned what works best to help solve what we see to JoJo!
I just wanted to make sure that you (and those reading) know that Iām not trying to throw things sideways (for anyone) , just trying to offer my thoughts and suggestions, like you and the others, in the hopes of helping to refine things, so that data is maximized, while the ānoiseā is squelched.