# Definitely Don't when DIYing

If you mix by weight, just drip 10 drop of VG and multiple by 8 and there goes 80% of your mix. The rest is only 20 drops. You shouldn’t use Nic in a test batch anyway. And @Ken_O_Where stated steep time is short on smaller batches if steep is needed. It make a lot of sense to me and will save me a lot of wasted time and juice. This calculation will only need to be done once. From then on just pour 80 % VG and 20 drops.

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Considering 80% is vg ( mix) and 20% of flavor how is your nic factored in after this ? 20 drops is nothing I do that on a daily basis. 100 drops different story ( sounded more overbearing) so yes know that you’ve broken it down to something more conceivable of me doing I think I may " play around w/ 1% flavors to achieve a 20% flavor profile ( if I’m thinking correctly that gives me an ability to use 20 different flavors ? ) now are there 20 different flavors in a profile that will go Well together that’ll be the fun part. but Serious how do I factor nic in later ?

I don’t think I get what you’re saying @NewDrip . If you’re calling 10 drops of VG 80%, then each drop would be 8%. If 10 drops is 80%, you only have 20% left, divided by 8, that’s 2.5 drops of flavor to work with, not 20.

You could do a 50 drop mix and each drop would be worth 2% (40 drops VG + 10 drops flavor), a 25 drop mix and each drop would be worth 4% (20 drops VG, 5 drops flavor), a 20 drop mix and each drop would be 5% (16 drops VG + 4 drops flavor) , etc. Obviously, the idea of drops is not as precise and the less drops you use as your total #, the less precise your flavor % is going to be (e.g. 200 total drops gives 0.5% precision, whereas 50 drops only gives increments of 2%).

I think the whole point of the 100 drop test was to find what % to use for a flavor as a starting percentage if you don’t know where to begin or to test small batches of an idea before doing larger batches and tweaking. But, I could be wrong and maybe I’m not getting it.

@Amy2 It would depend on what your nic base ratio is. Once you do the drop test, you just use the flavor %s you come up with and stick them in the calculator as usual with your base, etc. and let it do the computing for you.

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You can create your recipe as you normally do including the nic. Even if you only have 13% flavor then the rest would 87% Vg for the the test batch. If 10 drops weigh 13 grams you just calculate 13 grams times 8.7 to get 87% vg for the test batch.

I still think this is not for me. The flavor is going to shift once you put your nic base in and that means even less concentrated and above 100% considering my nic base is anywhere between 10-12% of the mix. I do understand what is being said but I still think this is only guesstimate and not concrete way of building a recipe.

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10 drops is 10%. multiply that by 8 and that’s 80%.

On a 10ml batch right ?
Lol this is a definitely don’t do for a noob us three make tons of recipes make plenty good ones and we all have an opinion either for or against this style. If a noob tries this mix they may get frustrated and miss out on a flavor they otherwise may be lead to think 1% is holy grail which totally isn’t for most.

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The weight of the batch is equal to 100 drops. Considering the specific gravity weight of each additive, each batch weight/volume would be different.

A test batch is a guesstimate to see how your flavors play together. I very seldom hit a perfect mix on version 1 anyway. with this method there is less ingredients wasted if it don’t taste right.

In a test batch u only sub vg for nic.
80% vg + 20% flavor = 100% test batch.
in the real mix
68%vg and 12% nic and 20% flavor = 100% .

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I always just left the % of nic out and made it as the recipe follows on the site once I knew I liked it add the nic % that way the % is always 100%. You can do it several ways apparently. I hardly ever make test batches under 5 Mls anyhow but for a noob probably not the easiest method or user friendly. But I say this with my opinion.

This thread is making my left eye twitch a bit!

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It,s real simple once you did a few. The only thing you need is flavor % for a test batch. The rest is vg.

Seems to me it might be easier to do tenths of a milliliter in a syringe. It’s doubtful you could guesstimate fractions with drops but you could get closer with a syringe. Probably a lot easier to syringe .8 milliliters, (or even .85, etc) then flavor. No multiplying, etc. Seems easiest to me…

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I guess to each his own. Just trying to break it down. It simple math to me.

I know what you mean. Honestly, unless a person is planning to make their living off e-liquid I can’t understand all the focus on precision anyway. Sure, the 100 drop method is a kind of stab at a test batch.However, the point of a small test batch is to get some idea how flavors are going to work together…not producing a stock of liquid to use. I first started doing the 100 drops. Yes I would use the same dropper and count it out…1, 2, 3…and so on. Now I have some little 5ml bottles and will add a little vg/pg blend to about half full. I’ll just say that’s my base and then use my recipe and add their respective percentages as drops. If my recipe calls for 4% V.Custard, I add 4 drops. 5% Juicy Peach, 5 drops and so on till flavors are added. No nic in these. Shake and taste. If it’s enjoyable I’ll make a 30 ml bottle and shake/vape. If it’s fantastic it goes into my recipe book. If it needs work I make notes and try again or scrap it entirely. But I’ve never ever made a larger batch after doing the test batch and been disappointed because it tasted different. It’s always the same or at least imperceptibly different.

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It seems very simple me to and much better than what I was doing before. I wish I could have explain that simply also.

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I think you explained it fine. I just am a different type of mixer I suppose. I usually like to follow some sort of recipe I’ve composed or elaborated/ modified. To me it just doesn’t seem to be that great of an idea. To you and many others y’all seem to like it. That’s all I get it. I still don’t mix by weight maybe soon. I have a scale just travel nursing right now where I move every 3 months so maybe down the road for weight/ gram mixing. I like too much flavor to be able to really enjoy any of the main flavors I’d like in the batch about 4 of them would have to be the same at 5% for me to get what I want out of a recipe (20%) at least.

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I’ve never done test batches. All my tests have been with nicotine in 10ml bottles. I’ve only had to dump 2…one was a god awful coffee attempt and the other was bacon something and it tasted like a urinal smells. LOL. Most of the time the mix was at least vapable even if it wasn’t perfect. Maybe I’ve just been lucky or I don’t care as much, I don’t know.

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Gross urinals ! I’m pretty lucky myself. Haven’t done test batches in a good while so yea in the same situation. I get so bored w/ flavors I only make 7 Mls batches Bc I change flavors frequently unless I find something I want to make a larger batch of. I have the wizard lab bottles from the concentrates I soak them once I’m done using them and I just make juices with them. Their 8 Mls glass and easy to use ! All my other plastic and other larger glass rarely get used. And yes I don’t care if I don’t like it dump it or keep steeping.

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