Cant slate the guy, about the first diy channel I found on youtube along with amsterdam vapes and Im still subscribed to Waynes channel. For me there are things I love and hate:
Love
One of the first, so was very informative to me staring out, and influential in that way
Influential also in his way of giving flavour notes in his videos
Has a free website with lots of recipes and other items you dont have to pay for
Continued to expand and improve his youtube channel with shorter videos (week with wayne) and good new content (noted)
Has a great passion for vaping that is evident
Is engaging as a presenter
So most of the things I love are that he has been around a while, was influential and has a great youtube channel. There are quite a lot of things I dont though:
Dislike
His constant use of imaginary adjectivesâŚwtf is that all about?
Commercialism - He has been very hypocritical to his early videosâŚeverything should be free and wouldnt release his own juice line not what he is aboutâŚ
then makes his website bigger and subscribed for some content, its not to keep it going, its to make moneyâŚalso sounds like partsa such as the flavour book you pay for are very fallow in actual flavours
Releases one shots
Releases tshirts, caps, beanies etc etcâŚI mean fair play to him with these, he has seen a market and very cleverly exploited it, good sales and business but lets not bs about what the aim was
His early slating of commercial juices and how they have sweetener and any recipe needs sweetener is rubbishâŚnow he has remix month, he uses cap super sweet in just about everything he mixes too
The main thing I dont like about the present Wayne at opposed to the early diyordie wayne though, is obviously he is a lot busier nowadays that he has grown as a brand commercially he just hasnt evlolved as a mixer for me, quite the opposite. Heard him several times saying how influential HIC was on vaping undergroundf but only used fa and only made simple recipes, he knew he was betterâŚlayering blah blah blah. His most recent tagline with these clone attempts is âwe overthink recipes as mixersâŚkeep it simpleââŚreally, bit big headed and taking your followers as idiots if you ask me. He is as a whole still generally using the same concentrates when thex concentrates available are 10x bigger than a year or two ago, he is also using less of them, less layering and making generally really simple basic recipes with apparently not much effort put into them, some of these clones being 90% there look very iffy and recently there was his custard recipe that had been worked on for monthsâŚa really basic custard recipe we have seen a million timesâŚwith corn added. Also all his affiliations seem to be with companies/people he is involved with that are charging for services or flavours.
I still watch diyordie on youtube, I like the week with Wayne and love NotedâŚbut I watch less and less of the videos he is doing himself as I have to admit I now find him big headed, pretentious and his passion now is commercially minded rather than mixing mindedâŚoh I have slated him now, sorry
i agree those are some good points, the adjectives are ridiculous, its like he sits down with 1 minute descriptions, pulls up a thesarus to turn that 1 minute review into a ten minute description.
i started before he was around, and he does have a great passion, but âits not about the moneyâ, with everything i see DIYORDIE related to a price tag, counteracts it.
Not to mention the absorption that happens in the Reddit forums, (how do the same 5 people always get the acknowledgements and âaward of the monthâ, and they are all like the admins or etc?
I hope DIYORDIE loses it position as âthe face of DIYâ, (not that it has it) but its a bad representation of what mixers are.
No Thesaurus, half the words dont even exist in an English dictionary anyway. Yes I didnt mention the reddit/alltheflavors awards type thing. I have posted in another thread on here my opinions on the likes of Reddit. I do kind of get that though, I mean to be fair he is very busy and his original forum sitting seemed to be on reddit and now seems affiliated with alltheflavors (started by somebody prominent on reddit). Most of us dont get the time to mix other peoples recipes too often, so he is only going to be mixing recipes from alltheflavors and more likely by people he know and the odd person who breaaks through on there popularity wise with there recipes.
It is amazing the influence he has though just from looking on altheflavors with the recipe breakdowns and the uses of concentratesâŚso many of the recipes of others now cap super sweet, he recommends a chocolate flavouringâŚeverybody starts using it etc.
What he has done in the earlier days of diy I think was excellent and his youtube channel still has lots of great content on thereâŚits just a shame as he has rapidly grown in popularity so (understandably to be fair, he saw a gap) has his commercialism, pretentiousness and short sighted, self interested arroganceâŚwith things said, I remember one not long ago when he self proclaimed himself one of the best 3 mixers or something, also said something like vaping underground being full of weird people or somethingâŚthere are literally loads of kinder, geniune and more importantly far more talented and evolved mixers both on alltheflavors, here and vaping underground in my opinion.
It doesnât make sense when he goes after a community for âweird peopleâ but then says heâs a nerd and weird himself. Itâs also strange that he will only show case the same mixers, and try to rebuild and make everyone forget Vaping Underground, ECF and ELR.
âŚlastly, itâs not a clone âŚitâs a âŚlooks around remix.
Whatever thesaurus you use, clone, remake, remix, mupliteied, attempt⌠itâd still going to be a ripoff of that original recipe.
And let it be known, if you started with DaiYORDIE, you are being deceived, and influenced to hate all other communities, mixers and datbases and programmed to pay, because you will never have full access or knowledge. Itâs like a weird religion
Ohhh I hope this thread isnât closed.
It would be a shame to close something down just because they are talking down about someone that they disagree with, esp if it is being done in a civil manner. If so we should close topics down when they are praising someone because Iâm sure there would be those that would disagree that the person should be praised⌠but would be afraid the thread would get closed if they spoke their mind.
I prefer ELR but I am also a member of his ATF recipe website. I enjoy the active and wonderful community here. There is no question left unanswered and there is no âdumbâ question. As a noob, this is the most valuable DIY resource I have found for anything and everything related to DIY.
ELR is not perfect by any means but neither is ATF. I donate my money to both as they are both good resources for specific things. One thing that I do especially love about ELR is how easy it is to make a recipe, find substitutions, and notes; on top of of that ELR literally has ALL the Flavors.
Those who are easily led astray, are easily led anywhere. Frequently because they lack confidence, but also because some lack creativity. Those who keep an open mind, will usually see the light (sooner or later). And those who think for themselves, will take what they need/want, and move along undeterred and unfettered by the accompanyingâŚfodder.
Almost a year down the rabbit hole and just pushed my stash over 200 flavors. Yeah, I know, way to many flavors for a rookie. I canât stop buying stuff though. In this year journey I have tried to find every possible resource available. ELR, Alltheflavors, Vapingunderground, DIYORDIE, Noted, Mixlife, YouTube, Reddit, Discord, and many many others. The community here is the place I am the most active, and enjoy the most. I will though suck up any information that I can get from anywhere.
Could not have said it better. That is one piece of advice I would give anyone peeking down the rabbit hole. DIYORDIE has helped me as a mixer. Two of Wyaneâs posted recipes helped me make two of my favorite recipes to date. One is a Strawberry Cheesecake that I always have a bottle of. Some of his recipes or remixes are not my cup of tea. Still I did learn something new from all of them. One thing is that I donât think I will ever like Pomegranate and I am sensitive to florals.
I donât watch TV. I watch ALOT of YouTube. Iâve watched as my favs over the years have gained subscribers, and the ones I stick with, continue to enjoy watching, know to keep humble on screen.
Youâre only as good as your followers and nothing less. If someone gets a big head, because their number of subscribers, it somehow presents a certain distaste which causes me to stop watching. Iâm not saying that about Wayne, but you donât have to read between the lines above to hear some people have that feeling.
Turning your passion into a following and then into a business apparently requires a great deal of finesse. If you donât think it matters if people like your online (business) Persona⌠youâre not paying attention. Thereâs some valuable critique above IMHO
I started out watching and still watch DoD videos, and usually find a nugget or two of useful info that I can absorb into my own philosophy. Most of his flavor notes/commentary are not very helpful to me, though, because he doesnât use any RF, MF or NF, which are my primary brands.
My question recently has been: How can he tell he ânailedâ a âremixâ right off the shake? No steep time at all, and calls it almost perfect. Do experienced mixers just know how it will turn out? I can see that kind of knowledge/insight developing over time, but it doesnt seem very useful to new mixers, and he doesnât explain it that way. Wayne rarely mentions letting something steep. Thoughts?
