Palm VG does tend to have a bit more sweetness to it but it is also is bit thinner than Soy, Coconut or Corn based VG. This makes for a lot easier blending!
As for the rain forest you want to make sure your manufacturer follows the Rainforest Alliance standards for sustainable practices. This will give you some peace of mind that the rain forest was not destroyed to create you VG.
Iām glad itās thinner. Iām cutting the stuff I have now with water and vodka to thin it out for tank use.
I started out with the Essential Depot VG, and yeah, it is a bit heavier than the Palm based VG, which I got from Liquid Barnā¦Walt at Real Flavors also uses Palm Based VG for his flavorsā¦Where the Essential Depot is a good vape, it is a bit thicker, the Palm Based VG I get from Liquid Barn is somewhat thinner in itsā consistencyā¦Flows smoother out of my dispensing bottleā¦I ran a comparison and found that the finished juices made with the Palm Based VG are also a little bit thinnerā¦They wick better in my Aspire Cartomizer with the little BVC replaceable coilā¦and wick very nicely in my Goblin Mini RTAā¦
You get a slightly thicker mouth feel with the Essential Depot, and as you pointed out, it is, indeed a heavier vapeā¦and it wicks a little slower than the Palm Based VG
But for me, the Palm Based VG is definitely sweeter, and the best way I can describe the experience is like thisā¦Itās like the difference between drinking tap water (Essential Depot)ā¦and drinking spring water (Palm Based)ā¦There is a bit more clarity to fruits with the Palm and the natural sweetness is not overbearingā¦It is extremely smooth, and more airyā¦One of the things I noticed with Walts Real Flavors was the inherent smoothness of the vape, even though I mix 40/60 with either PG based flavors OR the VG based flavorsā¦his flavors (VG based ) do not lead to vapors tongueā¦Also, I find the flavor lingering in my mouth, nose, and throat a bit longer with the Palm Based VGā¦even after a nice vape sessionā¦and I like thatā¦And you know, Amy, my penchant for mixing at higher flavor %sā¦
Please donāt misunderstand, cuz I am no āsuper tasterā or whatever, but I do prefer the Palm based VG and just got a gallon of it with a Gallon of PG from Liquid Barnā¦speaking of which, that Liquid Barn PG is THE cleanest PG I have used to dateā¦Walt at Real Flavors also sells his Palm Based VG, last I heardā¦but I have no idea what the price isā¦I know Liquid barn sells gallons and little customizable PG/VG combo packs in smaller bottles for pretty reasonableā¦I know you are an experimenter Amy, Couldnāt hurt to check the Palm Based VG outā¦ 
Thanks Doug ! I am kinda looking for something else no offense the ED theyāve been great and itās still a great product. It just so thick and I want something that well honestly taste a bit cleaner. My %s are getting lower and lower and I am starting to notice the soy based taste more and more. I even experimented over the weekend w/ rite aid Glycerin anhydrous and once again it immediately tasted smoother and silkier and did not carry that same weight ( it is thinned with 0.5% so that immediately helped with wicking as well ) ā¦I feel that weight in my chest ( on inhale ) and itās well not a comfortable feeling. I know there is something that will fit my needs it isnāt anything wrong with ED itās just my needs are changing.
I appreciate your input and will look into Waltās products as well as LBās.Thank you !
That is really good to know. I learn something new every day here. I had a taste of some of the commercial vapor the guy down the street sells and it was so clean and crisp it was amazing. I cant wait to play with it.
@Amy2 your needs and how you taste this stuff absolutely does change over time, you are so right. I used to LOVE Pear and I cant stand it anymore.
Anyone know of a good UK source for palm based VG?
Everything I find is US based and after postage costs it isnāt worth it?
I did a quick search for Palm based VG in the UK, but nothing turned upā¦Perhaps it can be found with a more thorough searchā¦Not sure how or where to direct you other than to perhaps check out DIY supply houses in the UKā¦ I also frequent a website based in France, and they are pretty serious about their DIY mixing, so maybe France might be another avenue to check out http://www.lediypourlesnuls.com/recettes-categories/ I hope you find some ā¦ Edit: you may need to right click the page/hit Translateā¦ in order to get it to translate into Englishā¦
Youāre welcomeā¦Keep me postedā¦I would be delighted to hear your progress
Thank you the advice, much appreciated!
Found it strange myself that nothing has shown up in the UK?
As you say maybe France or Germany may throw something up?
Hey look what I found:
Thereās a white paper on using Palm Oil in Bio-Diesel Applications. Read what it says about viscosity.
Abstract
Pure palm oil may be employed in diesel engines as an alternative fuel. Engine performance and emissions were influenced by basic differences between diesel fuel and palm oils such as mass based heating values, viscosity, density and molecular oxygen content. The high viscosity of palm oil resulted in poor atomisation, carbon deposits, clogging of fuel lines and starting difficulties in low temperatures. When heated at 100 Ā°C palm oil presented lower viscosity, better combustion and less deposits. Tests were conducted in a naturally aspirated MWM 229 direct injection four-stroke 70 kW diesel-generator fueslled with 100% palm oil.
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The only reason Iām bringing this upā¦ is because it begs the question of whats happening at a molecular level (sorry for the nerd talk)ā¦ if I understand this correctlyā¦ the reason the stinky butt is so addictive is because the burning leaf molecule is a very small particle. In the lung, that particle attaches to the oxygen molecule easily and ābamā hits your brain fast. The vapor or āsteamā particle is bigger and it takes longer for the nicotine attached to it to reach the brain. So that being said with the VG we have all been using, if this palm molecule is bigger or smaller may matter with health because it is the particulate matter in smoke and what we eat that causes our veins to be clogged. Perhaps more importantly - what our lungs are being coated with and how easily the lung is able to cleanse itself of that particulate matter. I donāt know what the answer is but I would very much like to know. I know that Palm Oil is the one my husband avoids for eating because of itās affect on his cholesterol levels. Anyone who wants to smack me for bringing it up - donāt hit me too hard
That is an interesting bit of subject matter, and a valid idea to contemplateā¦and as with Soy based VG made with soy beans of Genetically Modified Organisms ( GMO ) 90% here in the US, I would imagine that research is certainly inevitableā¦As many inquiries into the safety (in general) of vaping increase, and a looming āregulationā of the E Cigarettes in general, perhaps these questions will be answeredā¦
There are companies now, who are producing āorganicā PG as a byproduct from VGā¦Archer Daniels for one , and Dupont is also in that stratosphere of research and developmentā¦Perhaps as the vaping thing continues on itsā path, there will be further information which elucidates some answers that may work to the benefit of safety in our endeavorsā¦
i wanna know more about this sweet palm vgā¦iām going to RFās site to buy some now!
@Walt_RealFlavors you guys have it right? iām gonna buy a bottle right now to sampleā¦
I got your package and the āgiftā ā¦ awwww you are so sweet!!!
Thank you!
I bought both of those from Amazon, the one on the bottom first and I just bought the top one. Thought I was getting a good deal. They are good, but I thought they were really sweet. Sweeter than the stuff that I have gotten from MFS. And I bought some from ECX and RTVS but I really didnāt notice the sweetness then because I was using the VG at 20 %. Now I am using the VG at 70 %, all my recipes are messed up because of the sweetness. And the fact that I am using sub ohm now. Everything is different and its like starting over. So I really am looking for something a little less sweet, but not detergent lol.
lolā¦ just donāt buy it on ebay.
That sub ohm change with my recipes almost had me back on the Carolina Crack Packs again, very frustrating but these folks helped me get through it.
PG isnāt very sweet for sure. Iām going to test the one on the top against the palm based VG I just bought with a couple simple recipes I like to see what the differences are. Iāll do a bakery and a fruity and let them sit for a few days and test them. I will do my best to tell you what my findings are and tell you what flavors I used. I do like it pretty sweet thoughā¦
okā¦I mixed 2 recipes. One with Palm Based VG, One with Essential Depot.
The two recipes I mixed were:
Apple Cookie Pie
Melon Menthol Mint Mild
Iām gonna let them sit in the dark for a few days and I will report my experience.
I just tested the Palm Based Melon Menthol Mint (I just couldnāt wait, Iām sorry)
Itās a lot smoother throat and lung hit. (Mission Accomplished)
The melon has a much more permeating mouth feel, I can taste the Melon better. (Not too Shabby)
The exhale is dryer, itās kind of oddā¦(that could change in a good steep)
Iām not really getting āsweeterā but the all over blend of the mint in the melon is mixed better, like itās not separatedā¦kind of like the melon married the mint. With the ECX VG they never came together, it was like they were separate tastes, maybe even fighting with each other.
Iām loving what this did to the menthol, itās smooth and very mentholly like orā¦ well like menthol is supposed to act when you inhale it. (Bravo Palm)
I will report back in a week when the stuff is a week old
I just received 2 gallons of vg from essintials and they were both palm extract vg, very sweet
