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A PUBLIC and Civil Discussion on the Rules


#165

If the question is close, and especially if it seems the OP has been sufficiently answered, one could start with, “I don’t mean to hijack your thread, but how about this and that and this and that!”, but I still feel that a new topic would be better.

Say you were reading a thread on Samsung 25R batteries, buy you want to ask a similar question on an LG battery, a new topic would be better.

Personally it would be something I would weigh in my head before posting… :slight_smile:


#166

And they can be broken off into PMs if one wants to get naughty.


#167

@Suomynona, @daath,
good points.
There’s already so much info here. Having another topic thread couldn’t hurt.
Search is awesome, IF you use it.


#168

We don’t talk vaping exclusively here :slight_smile: It’s the primary thing, yes, but we talk about all sorts of stuff. I thought it could be a useful/fun thing to add.

A public forum. It doesn’t have to be sexual or anything - just something that you wouldn’t normally let your 8-year old see. If you are in the saloon, then you went in knowing that there were adults talking :slight_smile:


#169

rofl, we sure do alright.


#170

Ok, I got ya, it’s for that rare occasion when you might want to mask something.

Lets hope we don’t get any nasty surprises… :+1:


#171

Even outside of the “hiding from kids” thing it could really come in handy in the movies/tv show thread.


#172

There will be nasty surprises, he said aloud to no one in particular. That’s where staff steps in.


#173

On the topic of ELR self-moderation or self-policing:

Some folks are just not going to do it. Why? They lack that gene. They just, “do what I want!”. Thus, the reason/need for demarcation lines on the ELR forum.

You want the Wild Wild West? Where anything goes? Go to Vaping Underground, Reddit, or a host of other vape forums. ELR isn’t like those other places… it needs to stay that way. :wink:


#174

Those offenders will be excused.


#175

But then we are talking about banning people form the site? Im not entirely sure that i am cool with that idea. I prefer to define some boundaries. Of course that doesnt work for everyone and they generally get it an leave. The ban list on this site is incredibly small.


#176

Now that is hilarious. Two of the most caustic, mentally unstable, abusive members of this forum are now helping hands. Blahahahahahahahahahaha. And then the administration has the audacity to post a topic on Civil Discussion. Blahahahahahahahahah. And now this. ELR stands on the high ground. OMG, I have to detach. Blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha


#177

First I will state the obvious that the derailments and bizarre, sometimes plain stupid, and wholly inappropriate conduct needs to cease and should have never been allowed to get so far out of hand. I have no problem with establishing and following rules as long as they are enforced fairly and equally. No moderator has had to act upon anything I have posted and I have been here more than a year.

But I strongly disagree with what I see happening but have held my voice throughout except in PM’s. What many people see and are offended by is a classic authoritarian power structure already in place, and exponentially expanding. From the beginning the parallels to George Orwell’s classic “Animal Farm.” is striking, particularly how people have been pigeonholed and manipulated into accepting this power structure under the guise of “what’s best” etc. So now the first “doctrine” is complete:

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

And some other quotes as food for thought.

“I trust that every animal here appreciates the sacrifice that Comrade Napoleon has made in taking this extra labour upon himself. Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure! On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”

“At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question.”

“Comrades!’ he cried. 'You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege?

“The result of preaching totalitarian doctrines is to weaken the instinct by means of which free peoples know what is or is not dangerous.”

I have developed relationships with a lot of people here. But what I see are arbitrary and egotistical premises for a small group to impose their will upon the majority. Its not about rules, which should have been respected and enforced which I agree with and continue to follow. Its the potential for double standards and hypocrisy based on clique membership . Arbitrary power is a curse. See Ogre’s post above about things being cleaned up and swept under the rug.

“Comrade," said Snowball, “those ribbons that you are so devoted to are the badge of slavery. Can you not understand that liberty is worth more than ribbons?”


#178

Amen Brother. Amen! Thank you for the words. I’m to astonished to think straight.


#179

So what do you think would happen if we moderators just stopped moderating and imposing the rules the owner of the house made? And why would anyone think that they should be able to go to a friends house and crap all over it just because they are friends?

Go to Voat.co. You will see then end result.


#180

I’ve stayed pretty quiet during all the recent change discussions, but I wish we could frame DV’s post below, and hang it on the front door. It sums it up perfectly, for me.

TW I really enjoy your contributions, humor, and what you bring to all the threads you participate in. This isn’t to minimize you as a more recent member. The point I’d like to inject here is (keeping in mind DV’s comments above)… the radical changes have already happened. I think that’s the genie that management is trying to stuff back in the bottle. It’s happened gradually, and over a period of time.

I sure don’t envy the task facing the management, trying to reel this in.


#181

That’s a fair statement. I hope however you understand fully what Mr. Pipes is trying to tell you.


#182

See above: I have no problems with rules and enforcement because when it comes down to it, I would never crap on anyones “floor.”


#183

Well, if some folks can’t abide the rules, what choice do you have? Not knowing the history I can’t comment on that.


#184

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