Do you have any pointers or suggestions on types of tobaccos that would be good for a girl who is just starting to dip her toes into desserty type synthetics? I’ve been thinking if nothing else it would be fun to attempt a NET just for s&g, but I have next to no experience with tobacco flavors, let alone NETs. I just know the dessert/sweet/ry4 types that I’ve started using have been super enjoyable and are quickly becoming my favorite vapes, so why not dive head first farther down the rabbit hole…!
Perfect timing for this, I just finished my first cold pg maceration of two different tobacco’s I put in pg back on July 17, I never thought it could turn out this good, I used a french press to strain it today then filtered it twice, mixed it at 25%. The tobacco I used was nothing special just stuff I got at the tobacco store bags of something called OHM RED, and a bag of Dark Virginia the first being a turkish and the second a Virginia I guess. This was my first time at trying this, so I am not well versed in the tobaccos used(yet). I mixed each of the batches a 25% each and they turned out awesome, have never tasted at more realistic tobacco ever, So being me I could not stop there I mixed each of those half & half and added some INW DNB, and a little Flav Red Burly, and made myself a hybrid net, pretty friggin’ good, and mostly thanks to your posts of getting me interested in the net process, I don’t think many synthetic tobaccos will stand a chance unless its just for little nuances from now on. So just a big Thanks, never knew what I was missing.
I know of a couple… one I have tried and one is in the works. The one I have tried and liked is Peter Stokkebye Optimum 31:
This combination of top-notch Virginias, Stokkebye’s signature steamed black Cavendish and mellow Burleys is topped with a unique mixture of fruit essences and creamy vanilla to create a singular flavor and aroma.
Tastes just about how P&C describes it; very light fruit, touch of vanilla and very smooth. Super nice end of the day/desert tobacco.
The other one, I’m about to put in a jar and get it going; Sutliff Molto Dolce. I’ve heard many good things about this one… it scratches the RY4 itch for NET fans.
Molto Dolce is excellent sweet Virginias, mellow Burleys and superior black Cavendish, married with essences of vanilla, caramel and honey for smooth flavor.
Ya don’t know, til you give it a try! I’m glad your NET experiences have taken you to a happy place. For those remotely interested in a true tobacco tasting vape, NET is the golden ticket.
Often times, folks are quite surprised at the flavor outcome of lesser known tobacco brands. I believe @50YearsOfCigars found this out recently when he picked up a 6oz bag of Vision Hunter Fire for $5 at a local shop; little did he know it would turn out to make a really nice NET extract.
Very Glad to see you started this thread. Hopefully this will get more mixologists to try the very rewarding part of the hobby known as DIY NET !
I will throw in a couple of my 2cents here: I only started doing NETs about 6 months ago, and now realize I made a little mistake with my first jars of macerations. To help out anyone starting on this journey let me explain my mistake, and hope this gives you a leg up so you don’t accidentally do what I did at first.
The short of the long of it is: I mistakenly thought that all DIY NET was to be made from commercial PIPE tobacco blends. I got this idea from reading many NET threads where everyone only used major supplier Pipe Tobacco (usually tinned but sometimes sold as bulk) from major players like D&R, Lane, Cornell & Diehl, Dunhill, etc. That was a huge mistake. I now realize that all pipe tobacco is cased or flavor infused, and much of it is blended to fit a specific and very popular pipe smokers preference for ‘old english Pipe Shop Blends’… That is an OK thing, but as a NET type you don’t want to be only in that world. If I had it to do over again I would have started out with, say for example, 9 total jars, divided up as: 3 jars of the just mentioned Old English Pipe Blends, then 3 Jars of high quality Cigars, and lastly three jars of Pure Leaf Tobacco.
Pure Leaf Stock: Scraps - Fronto Leaf Scraps - American Flue Cured
Native American RYO Vision Hunter Fire Tribal Tobacco
You don’t have to use “exactly” these as listed, the point I am trying to get across is that you will get up much faster on the DIY NET learning curve if you start out with samples from three areas of tobacco type available to you. You limit and hinder your learning about this whole world if you do as I did when I started out and just macerated “old English Latakia” Pipe shop commercial blends !!
A word of caution about price. One of the great attractions for us that like to DIY NET is that the cost is very low if you carefully choose you tobacco feedstocks. Unfortunately the Pure Rolled Cigars have seen price jumps in the past few years that are shocking. I used to buy very high quality Nicaragua Cigars for $1 a stick. Now the same cigar is $5. Also avoid any infused cigars like the ACID line and similar cigars intended for the younger ‘kiddie’ smoker market. What you are after is the pure fermented leaf that is the handi-work of the most well respected cigar blenders. Your best Price, overall, will be on pure leaf from leafonlydotcom and Bulk supplied pipe tobacco from vendors like smokingpipesdotcom. Unfortunately the day of NETing high quality rolled cigars is probably gone forever, but just to see what you get from that you should try one or two, if your budget can withstand it.
This thread gets so little activity, I thought I would just drop in this following post from a recent private PM thread. Maybe it will jog loose some of the ‘NET Heads’ to throw in a post here once in a while:
Regards: C&D Billy Bud, which is a very commonly extracted NET: it is a crazy heavy Latakia bomb of an extract! …at least mine turned out like that. I don’t think I’ll be mixing it as a stand alone!
Yeh, I sometimes, but very rarely, vape it stand alone, but don’t really enjoy the experience., and quickly return to an atty in my “full time rotation” that always has 1/2BB-1/2 Izmir, and I enjoy that much better.
If I want a Lat Bomb, I have some Peter Stokkebye English Oriental Supreme , and to my TIS it is much better balanced than BB. It is sort of what BB was trying to do.
I think, ( disclaimer:TIS ) that all of the following list uses Lat in a better balanced more ‘professional way’ than BB. But if BB is really your thing, let me know and I’ll send along 120mls of it. I will keep my remaining 120mls here for blending with Izmir T.
C&D Haunted Bookshop
C&D Morleys Best
C&D Habana Daydream
C&D Bailey’s Front Porch-
C&D Mississippi Mud
C&D Bow Legged Bear
Peter Stokkebye English Oriental Supreme
Missouri Meerschaum: American Patriot is also built upon Latakia, which I think is what sets it apart from the other five NETs I have processed. It has a bold, authentic nature to it, with a kick note that I am unqualified to describe.
I have zero experience with tobaccos, except for 40 years on the cigs, but AP was clearly in a place by itself, once I had vaped the others.
American Patriot was the first extract that made it into an E-liquid for me, and I was thinking. “are all of these going to taste like this?”. Hahaha. It was also the only extract that I mixed too strong the first time at 10%.
There are a number of Latakia blends which I find very enjoyable. One of which is Moonshine Pipes Co. XXX Blend.
XXX is a Latakia-based blend that is mixed with Turkish Smyrna, high quality Virginia leaf, and a touch of Burley. To finish off the exotic mix of tobaccos a light top note of Kentucky Bourbon is added for room note.
The bourbon top coat doesn’t make it through to the final flavors of the extract, but that’s ok… the rest of the components in the blend sure do. Overall, this tobacco extracts to a pleasingly smokey and slightly sweet nature; definitely in my “keeper” column.
I consider AP to be in the realm of so-called “American English Blends”. There is considerable dispute about the use of some of these terms. There is an interesting discussion of that HERE
You bring up a important point, and that is that the new NET experimenter should work with a variety first as I noted in my post in Dec '17 a few back from here in this thread., and escape the temptation to follow those NET threads over at ECF that think all NETs are from the world of the heavy Latikia English Pipe Shop. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is a whole world of tobacco flavors out there.
Glad you are having good luck with NET. it is a great adventure with a very wide varitey of blend type available to you.
I keep accurate tasting notes on my blends, you might have seen them over at my public web page.. Only a percentage of those are English Latakia, and they are noted as such in the descriptions. 180 degrees from English Pipe Shop latakia blends, lives my latest turn on the tobacco flavor road, that is to work with non-blended pure leaf. I have just started on that part of the project, and am obtaining pure leaf for extractions from these guys.
Glad you took the trouble to post here, we need all the NET heads out there that we can find ! Keep giving us those tasting notes. Like I said I put all mine on a web page, because there is so many now, that actually posting them here would be crazy. But just for fun here is my tasting notes from American Patriot:
Sample#25- Missouri Meerschaum: American Patriot - Black Cavendish, Burley, Latakia, Oriental/Turkish, Virginia. - This blend is in the “American English” category. an entire range of flavors in nearly every puff. It is the work of master blender Russ Ouellette at Lane Ltd. I use this as one of my ADVs and come back to it often. It is an easy extraction for the newbie NETer, and easy to vape and easy to understand blend. Highly recommended.