Choice Tobaccos for NET

I’m vaping a Dunhill Robusto Cigar at the moment and it is goooooooood :yum:

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@50YearsOfCigars makes a valid point; use many varieties/types of tobaccos.

Confession: I’ve limited myself by not macerating whole leaf tobacco tobacco til now, such as what can be purchased via leafonlydotcom.

https://www.leafonly.com/index.php

I’ve recently been vaping some whole leaf Fronto extract and have to say… I’ll be sad when it’s all gone. :pensive: …guess I’ll have to make my own. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I’ve recently purchased some whole leaf Izmir Turkish Oriental and Aged Nicaraguan Ligero; really looking forward to getting these into jars! :sunglasses:

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…just started the Molto Dolce today. :grinning: Boy, does that tobacco have a nice aroma! I can understand now why some NET folks say it is the heat for an RY4 like NET vape.

Mark your calendar for March 1st; that’ll be when I take my first 2.5ml draw of extract out of the jar for test purposes. This process could take up to 6 months though… hope you’re willing to wait. :wink:

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I will literally set am alarm on my phone right now.

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100% willing

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I posted a bit of a rant over here,… If you are experimenting with NET extractions you might want to read it.

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This thread gets so little activity, I thought I would just drop in this following post from a recent private PM thread. Maybe it will jog loose some of the ‘NET Heads’ to throw in a post here once in a while:

Regards: C&D Billy Bud, which is a very commonly extracted NET: it is a crazy heavy Latakia bomb of an extract! :scream: …at least mine turned out like that. I don’t think I’ll be mixing it as a stand alone!

Yeh, I sometimes, but very rarely, vape it stand alone, but don’t really enjoy the experience., and quickly return to an atty in my “full time rotation” that always has 1/2BB-1/2 Izmir, and I enjoy that much better.

If I want a Lat Bomb, I have some Peter Stokkebye English Oriental Supreme , and to my TIS it is much better balanced than BB. It is sort of what BB was trying to do.

I think, ( disclaimer:TIS ) that all of the following list uses Lat in a better balanced more ‘professional way’ than BB. But if BB is really your thing, let me know and I’ll send along 120mls of it. I will keep my remaining 120mls here for blending with Izmir T.

C&D Haunted Bookshop
C&D Morleys Best
Dunhill Nightcap
C&D Habana Daydream
C&D Pegasus-
C&D Bailey’s Front Porch-
C&D Mississippi Mud
C&D Bow Legged Bear
Peter Stokkebye English Oriental Supreme

-:grin:

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Missouri Meerschaum: American Patriot is also built upon Latakia, which I think is what sets it apart from the other five NETs I have processed. It has a bold, authentic nature to it, with a kick note that I am unqualified to describe.

I have zero experience with tobaccos, except for 40 years on the cigs, but AP was clearly in a place by itself, once I had vaped the others.

American Patriot was the first extract that made it into an E-liquid for me, and I was thinking. “are all of these going to taste like this?”. Hahaha. It was also the only extract that I mixed too strong the first time at 10%.

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There are a number of Latakia blends which I find very enjoyable. One of which is Moonshine Pipes Co. XXX Blend.

Vendor notes:
XXX is a Latakia-based blend that is mixed with Turkish Smyrna, high quality Virginia leaf, and a touch of Burley. To finish off the exotic mix of tobaccos a light top note of Kentucky Bourbon is added for room note.

My notes:
The bourbon top coat doesn’t make it through to the final flavors of the extract, but that’s ok… the rest of the components in the blend sure do. Overall, this tobacco extracts to a pleasingly smokey and slightly sweet nature; definitely in my “keeper” column.

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I consider AP to be in the realm of so-called “American English Blends”. There is considerable dispute about the use of some of these terms. There is an interesting discussion of that HERE

You bring up a important point, and that is that the new NET experimenter should work with a variety first as I noted in my post in Dec '17 a few back from here in this thread., and escape the temptation to follow those NET threads over at ECF that think all NETs are from the world of the heavy Latikia English Pipe Shop. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is a whole world of tobacco flavors out there.

Glad you are having good luck with NET. it is a great adventure with a very wide varitey of blend type available to you.

I keep accurate tasting notes on my blends, you might have seen them over at my public web page.. Only a percentage of those are English Latakia, and they are noted as such in the descriptions. 180 degrees from English Pipe Shop latakia blends, lives my latest turn on the tobacco flavor road, that is to work with non-blended pure leaf. I have just started on that part of the project, and am obtaining pure leaf for extractions from these guys.

Glad you took the trouble to post here, we need all the NET heads out there that we can find ! Keep giving us those tasting notes. Like I said I put all mine on a web page, because there is so many now, that actually posting them here would be crazy. But just for fun here is my tasting notes from American Patriot:

Sample#25- Missouri Meerschaum: American Patriot - Black Cavendish, Burley, Latakia, Oriental/Turkish, Virginia. - This blend is in the “American English” category. an entire range of flavors in nearly every puff. It is the work of master blender Russ Ouellette at Lane Ltd. I use this as one of my ADVs and come back to it often. It is an easy extraction for the newbie NETer, and easy to vape and easy to understand blend. Highly recommended.

-:grin:

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Almost forgot to ask, how about a quick list for us of what those other five are???

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I knew someone would ask that question :] Wasn’t, and still not, prepared to summarize adequately, but will try.

I did take your advice to heart a few months back, and broadened the diversity of tobaccos. This made perfect sense, considering the time involved for each extract, and my total lack of experience with tobaccos whatever.

Also, to further cover the spectrum of options, I extracted each tobacco blend in both PG and PGA, side by side for comparison of the two solvent methods. So this netted me 12 different extracts to try.
Generally speaking, the PGA extracts were much cleaner tasting, smoother, and weaker, requiring about 5% more in the e-liquid than their counterpart PG extracts. The PGA extracts were also, as expected, easier on coils/gunk, maybe twice as much so.

I’m also trying the mixes in different devices, which we all know can have great effect on flavor profiles, no matter what we are vaping.

This whole process has been rather fun.

Early in the testing it became apparent that I really had no idea how to take notes. I mean, I had/have nothing to compare the flavors with. Still trying to work that out, but still taking notes nonetheless. “Tastes like tobacco”, “tastes like manure”, “too weak”, “too much VG”. That is about the extent my taste-testing sophistication.

I will look at your notes and try to learn something.
Hope that nobody takes any of my opinions below seriously. And bear in mind that I am still playing with percentages and VG/PG ratios and the like.

Here is what I’ve tried: I like them all Except the Danish Export, which is the one that stunk of manure from the time I was filtering it to the time it was vaped, no matter how it was extracted or mixed.

Pipe Tobaccos
Missouri Meerschaum: American Patriot
As mentioned above, set apart from the other five NETs in a good way. Bold, authentic nature to it, with a kick note that I am unqualified to describe.

Daughters & Ryan: Picayune
Peter Stokkebye: Optimum
Not sure why, but these two I tend to put in a like category. Both are pleasant, tasteful, smooth.
Maybe the the Optimum is on the warm sweeter side, and the Picayune on the bolder, tobacco-ey side.

Sutliff: Molto Dolce
Rich, sweet, thick, cupcake, chocolate? Really good. This is a dense, sticky tobacco.

Cigar
Partagas: Black Label Classico
Distinct. Different profile altogether. Good, though. Was never a cigar smoker. Very weak. Took several trials get flavor. Should have let the extract steep much longer (than 45-50 days). Maybe try a different PG:Tob. ratio (than 8:1)

RYO Cigarette
Peter Stokkebye: Danish Export 91
Stunk like manure. That’s all. Just drew a big X on the bottle. :] This was apparently a better seller at the local B&M. So this might be a glaring example: what you get from something when you light it up and what you get when you extract/vape it are entirely different.

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Great work ! You are on the road, doing fine !!!

Yes, the Partagas cigar takes 6 months. Short time on Pure Leaf and Cigar extractions is a universal mis-step. Now you know !

Very good on your side by side EA and PG extractions, this is also a very important experiment that is all too often neglected. You might try making some vape juice that combine each of those two solvents, maybe 50/50, from the same feedstock tobacco. I do this all the time to fill out and complete the flavor profile from certain tobaccos. It works spectacularly well with C&D Habana Daydream, which is one of my all time top 10 favorite extractions.

Thanks for taking the time to give us all the above details. Looks like we gained a serious NETer, to the club. Keep us updated as you see fit, and as you have the time.

-:grin:

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Many thanks to you and @Kinnikinnick also, and others here. I’ll share as I am able.

workin on da net

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Giving a :+1: to:
Newminster 403 Superior Round Slices (1oz bulk purchase)

Vendor notes:
Dark Fired Kentucky
Virginia
(Non-Aromatic)

Newminster No. 403 Superior Round Slices starts with a core of dark-fired Kentucky, around which premium flue-cured leaves are wrapped and spun into a rope & sliced. The flavor is typically sweet Virginia with an undertone that’s spicy and slightly smoky - slightly on the full side of medium bodied.

My NET version was a PG, heat assist maceration (8 hours @ 125 degrees), which cool steeped for roughly 9 months. No real reason for the long steep; the jar just got overlooked in the back of the cupboard for a while. This extract was mixed at 15%; the result was very satisfying. I’m putting this one in the ADV category. The Virginia adds just a slight sweetness to the vape, while the pleasing smokey boldness of the DF Kentucky really stands out; yet not oppressively so. This has been a nice departure from my usual smokey Latakia blended NETs.

Just some light reading:

Enjoy :sunglasses:

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@Kinnikinnick how did that Izmir Turkish turn out? I had a cart filled up at leafonly a couple weeks ago with some of that in there, but never pulled the trigger because I’ve got so many other NETs sitting around, but don’t vape a whole lot of them because I’m still a little baby about coil gunk.

And just to throw out my favorite NET that I’ve done so far: Solani Aged Burley Flake. I did 3 month cold maceration in PG, and mix it at 3%. So much flavor. It’s dark and has some nuttiness and sort of a molasses sweetness to it.

Other than that my other favorites have been Dunhill Nightcap and Early Morning Pipe.

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I put it into a jar 12/3/17, but haven’t filtered it yet… guessing 7 months should be about enough time for it cool steeping to vapable goodness. I’ll hit a sample out of the jar and see if it’s time to harvest. :thinking:

Ahhhh yes… this is an issue with the NET, but after a while I just called it part of my daily routine. Thus, the reason I finally settled into a KF V5; so easy to rewick… about 3 minutes.

Nice lineup! Personally, I haven’t extracted those, but I probably have a few which move along the same lines.

I’ll give you a heads up on the Izmir when I throw it in a dripper. :+1: I’m hoping it’s stand alone pleasant and not too mono-flavored. No matter, there are lots of other single varietal NET extractions I can pair with the whole leaf Izmir. :grinning:

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I was just looking at my “need to filter” jars and was a little surprised that what’s left has all been sitting there over a year now. Should have some real nice flavor for those :slight_smile:

I’ve also still got the first NET I did about 3.5 years ago with some American Spirits RYO Tobacco. I probably did a really bad filter job on that, so it’s probably been sucking up a little more flavor throughout the years. Maybe I’ll be brave and run it through the Aeropress and see how it is. BTW, I picked up the Aeropress technique from your write up here, so thanks for that!

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Time in the jar couldn’t hurt and might help… :wink: I know everyone has their own maceration methods… mine includes a little gentle heat assist at the start… but, I’ve had some great extractions at 30 days in the jar and some really crappy extraction at 9 months in the jar. Given this, we’re kinda over a barrel, depending upon what the tobacco(s) can offer.

I’ve done the same thing a few times myself. It made me feel a bit better running it though a finer micron filter, rather than a couple of Mr. Coffee filters. I must admit, however, a few of my original extraction found their way down the drain. Particularly my extraction of Peter Stokkebye London Export… the tobacco I used to roll and smoke for +/- 15 years. No matter the filtering process, it just didn’t work as an extraction for vaping… not at all tasty, as I hoped it would be. Oh well… win some, lose some. I hope we all have more winners than losers. :wink:

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