Nikser you are a liar
you have been provided plenty of proof
Thank you for chatting with us. Please find your chat transcript below.
FlavourArt / Supporto
Chat reference number: 23187
| 26.07.2017 15:14:57 | matt: do your flavors contain acetoin
| 26.07.2017 15:16:32 | Elena: Hello matt, my name is Elena, how may I help you?
| 26.07.2017 15:16:49 | matt: do any of your flavors for vaping contain acetoin
| 26.07.2017 15:18:11 | Elena: most our flavours do not contain acetoin
| 26.07.2017 15:18:37 | Elena: if they do it is mentioned in the description below
| 26.07.2017 15:19:10 | matt: can you give me an example of a flavor that does contain acetoin
| 26.07.2017 15:19:39 | Elena: for example milk flavour contain acetoin
| 26.07.2017 15:20:05 | Elena: also butter
| 26.07.2017 15:20:12 | Elena: and roasted chicken
| 26.07.2017 15:20:26 | matt: are these flavors recommended for vaping?
| 26.07.2017 15:20:47 | Elena: no , they are not indicated for vaping
| 26.07.2017 15:21:06 | matt: ok thank you
| 26.07.2017 15:21:10 | Elena: we have 400 different flavours and just 20 are not indicated
| 26.07.2017 15:21:24 | matt: can you email me a transcription of this chat
| 26.07.2017 15:22:16 | Elena: the ones with acetoin and ones oil soluble
There is the same transcrfipt from me ad a rep at FA
Says right there about Acetoin
Here is a cut and paste drectly form this link
We are often asked if our flavourings contain various chemicals so the text below should hopefully answer them. The condition that can be caused by inhalation of Diacetyl and/or related Diketones is commonly referred to as ‘Popcorn lung’ (bronchiolitis obliterans) and was first highlighted in the US in facilities where Popcorn was being mass-produced. It is not lung cancer but it is a very painful and debilitating condition. Even though the amounts inhaled when vaping (miniscule) are unlikely to cause any such problems, many manufacturers have now removed Diacetyl from the products that contained them. FlavourArt Italy were the first manufacturer to respond to the Diacetyl issue and began removal of Diacetyl and all related Diketones in November 2010. There are a few flavours they produce that still contain such ingredients as they are necessary for the flavours which are specifically for food use. They are in a separate ‘Kitchen’ section on the FlavourArt Italy website and carry appropriate warnings regarding their use. None of the flavours offered on the FA UK website contain Diacetyl or related Diketones, including Acetoin** and Acetyl Propionyl. FlavourArt flavours do not contain alcohol, sugars, protein, genetically modified ingredients, animal ingredients of any kind, preservatives, caffeine, sweeteners or colours. They are all gluten and peanut free, suitable for diabetics, vegetarian and vegans. The residual issue is that some people insist on ‘natural’, ‘organic’, or whatever other terms might be used to define flavours derived directly from the original product, rather than those ‘artificial’ flavours recreated by a flavorist. Removing Diacetyl from a ‘natural’ flavour is difficult and prohibitively expensive; removing it from an ‘artificial’ flavour is relatively simple, you just don’t add it when creating the flavour. Can you use the concentrates with nut allergies? We are not aware of any contra evidence in respect of our nut flavours; the cause of allergic reactions is believed by scientists to be in the nut protein, which is not used in flavour manufacture.
Says pretty clearly if its recommended by them for vaping it DOES NOT CONTAIN ACETOIN
You have been shown this already and you refuse to accept truth
You are an out right liar. You were shown 2 weeks before I showed you RF publishes its data
Walt communicated with you and NO UPDATE on the VU thread about that information
You are a liar
I will not allow you to continue to lie to this community
AND lets just get this straight
If any of the FA vaping flavors did contain ACETOIN which they do not, BUT IF THEY DID
the clerstream data shows they do not increase the toxity to human cells since the results for a creamy flavor which one would suspect to comatin Acetoin has about the same results as a fruit flavor that would not contain it.
YOu dont get it do you about Acetoin. FA artificial manufacturers their flavors. They dont get an orange and extract flavors, they chemically recreate the flavor of an orange. They know ever chemical and compound in every single flavor. They know if the put Acetoin in something. Why in the world would you test for something you didnt put in there. Where as according to my recollection from over a year or so ago when I first looked into this , DA/AP can be formed while creating the flavors without actually adding it in.
So just stop lying about FA stop misrepresenting your info, Better yet delete the OP in both threads so noone accidentally uses your lies to make a health related decision