oooh, gotta cast my mind back , there. Juices: Johnson Creek (who had a decent PG-free range) stopped selling their juices in the UK, completely , and never came back. Antoher company (who’s name i forget. I omly bought their juice once) likewise. Virgin Vapor and Kindjuice vanished from the shelves everywhere except for Vapegreen (an organic, PG_free juice specialist) which is kinda weird. What i think probably happened there is that decided to get some of their flavours certificated for EU sale, and that diminished range wasn;t worth stocking, in most distributor’s eyes?
As for concentrates, I’m hazier there, because I han;t been mixing very t long. at that point in time ( wheras I’d been vaping for 10 years or so, on-and off.) and I’d only ordered from Chef’s, specifically, about 2-3 times,
NF flavours (though not very many) were available in the UK, up to that date, IIRC, but they can’t be bought here at all, now. There were also a good few VG-based flavours by companies like One-on-One and Flavourmonks that you could get from Chef’s and elsewhere. Chef’s used to have so many that they had a “VG” (or was it "PG-free "?) tab so yu could find them easily, but then redisigned the site and they couldn’t be found anymore. After much searching, I realised that the ones that interested me (and I wanted to re-purchase) were gone. Oh! and I _think_VZ had an outlet in Britain , but i might have misremberered or misconstrued that (I was thinking of trying their alcphol -based flavours at the time. Hadn’t actually got around to ordering) Same thing happened with several other sites. And curiously, the only “British made” brand Kandi Hed simultaneously dropped a number of my favourite flavours from their VG range. If you were specifically hunting for PG-free, the cumulative effect was pretty huge.
Chefs took the decision to stop stocking the One-on-One and Real Flavors vg-based ranges because they weren’t selling enough to justify the space in the warehouse rather than anything to do with the TPD regulations.
And they withdrew the FlavourMonks range because the producer insisted that they must increase their retail prices beyond what Chefs considered reasonable.
I actually PM’d @daath on Faceache last week pointing out the split naming conventions for the Pure range and requested a decision so I can advise Chefs’ customers which one to use.
Ah! well that majkes sense. Thanks for the info! . It;s still weird. though, that loadsa PG-free flavours vanished - all over the place!- exact same time that TDP hit the PG-free juice supplies (as well as other juices) . I still think there must be some kinda connection betwen those events.
Maybe it’s just that the impact of the new regs, inspired all the retailers to streamline, and offload the less profitable ranges? (which would include PG-free, in most cases)
Oh! if I might ask an impertinent question (you don’t have to answer) do you live in Bath , England ? I’m going by your name ofc. and your familiarity with Chef;'s, and , well, seems a whole lot more likely than you vaping in the bath!
Yeah. I noticed that the few brands I can actually vape are retailing for £7 per 10 ml. And that’s not just the American ones! I suppose that’s because they all have to get each nic concentration for each flavour individually tested and certificated, before it can be sold in the EU, so of course that adds to the freaking cost, and it would hit the non- mass-produced "premium " juices a lot harder than it hits the stuff that Big Tobacco rolls into the supermarkrts, wouldn’t it?
…which was pretty much the point of that legislation , I believe
The result is that I never buy juice anymore. Hence greater need for those PG-free flavours!
Only found a couple of nice Flavor Monks concentrates that I liked but they certainly aren’t worth the price hike!
OOO have some good flavours but can see the reason in not stocking them due to demand.
Now quick question @BathVaper
Been looking forward to trying out Pure Flavours Grenadine but notice it’s not listed anymore? Will that change?
Also a wee bit more info on them would help if that’s possible? Can’t seem to find a translation for their site?
Thanks!
Well spotted on the Grenadine - it was ordered and didn’t arrive but it’s still in Chefs’ database so there’s a chance that it’ll reappear with the next order.
Pure Flavours’ website doesn’t have English versions of their concentrate pages but most of the German pages make sense using Google Translate.
Update: Had a look into Chef’s again, and found they have a smattering of various PG-Free, once more + a fair range of RF (which are all PG -free). I’m not excited about the RF because I can get those at another place, but there a few l;ttle gems there, prolly a lot more than I know, because damned if I’m gonna click on every flavour on the offchance!. I’ve now written to suggest that they re-instate the PG-free tab.
Ummm…I guess I’ll slope off and let this thread get back on-topic now
I’m guessing you’re meaning either (Pure Flavors) or (PF). I’m going to make an executive decision here and say go with (PF) since that seems to already be in play. If he wants it changed, I can do that later and I’ll update ya.
“Pure Flavour” spelled the English way, cos it’s a German Company, not an American Company. If ya follow @BathVaper 's link, you’ll see exactly who they are. Heck…but even Chef’s Flavours spelled them in the American way in their tab, I notice. How confusing!
So, is there a different company called “Pure Flavors”? And does PF denote this other company? Or do both spellings refer to same people?
Incidentally, a fair few of the PF (is that what we’re calling them?) are PG-free, as I found out the other day using the Google trick … plus clicking on every individual flavour for the specific ingredients on that flavour. I found ar least ten, but not many of those made it onto Chef’s list. But I do see at least three that did! (Liquorice, Plum and Wine Punch) Ethanol and water are the carriers in those specific instances.
Curiously, I’d already written to Chef’s by then and asked them if PV are PG-free ? (amonst other things) and theyjjust today responded in the negative . Which is true regarding the whole range, but nor true of all the individual flavours in that range. This goes to show that the retailer mightsimply not have that kind of info, doesn’tt it?
More disconcertingly, they wrote back to say that Real Flavors SC are not PG-free. Huh? Heck, I’ll have to toddle over to Walt’s thread now, because I’m pretty damned sure that he said that they are!
If it’s a German company then why does it have to be spelled the English way? Maybe we should spell it the German way?! IMHO, I think we get the jist with either spelling.
And while we’re at it, if you feel the need to be a pedant, it’s actually Pure Flavours
Cos the English language was invented by we English, ya know? American spelling is only proper in America .
Actually , Lolly, I don’t dare be a pedant re. spelling, cos I’m dyslexic. 'Twould definitely be pot calling kettle black! (If you want a laugh about that , check out my edit on that post! No, I won’t be offended , even I was laughing!)
However in this case,given potential confusion betwen two different companies, the spelling really matters !
Back last March after the first batch of super-concentrates were released, Walt confirmed that the SC carrier would vary according to what worked for each flavour but would be “a mix of VG, PDO, or a different carrier like distilled water” with the flavour extract (suspended in alcohol).
Just two of those early concentrates contained “a very small amount (under 1%)” of pg but I’ve no idea of the status of the more recently released flavours in the range.
Well, I’m not gonna worry 'bout that less than 1%, p[ersonally speaking, cos I’ve been using SC since their release, with no issues. Indeed, if you already have an allergy (as I do) then exposure to the allergen at tiny concentrations has been found to be an effective treatment ! (It;s supposed to be done under medical supervision though!) . Heck, I might have managed to inadvertently cure myself!
EDIT: …or maybe , I just never used those two ! (Just re-read your post, and belatedly grasped that we’re talking of two. Hmm.
I just got some of the flavour creative rebranded FA. Have people here noticed that the ingredients list includes water? I was wondering if hey are adding water when they are rebottling these. FA always just list pg and flavour on their bottles.
I mixed up some of the 7 leaves I got and it tastes quite strong just mixed, I’m not as familiar with this flavour, got some ry4 as well that i’m hoping I’ll be able to tell with. Maybe it’s just a labelling error, but they all say it. Concord grape, ry4, 7 leaves, cocoa. I was shaking it to see if it’s less viscous but it’s impossible to be sure I’ve not got the idea preconceived now after noticing it.
American spelling is only proper in America .
(If you want a laugh about that , check out my edit on that post! No, I won’t be offended , even I was laughing!)