I make my own. I think I’ll go for fused Clapton then, based on what you’ve said
Sorry for my lack of knowledge. What’s the difference in the fused Clapton in respect of 24awg, 26awg, 28awg?
No apologies necessary.
In short, the size of the wire.
AWG = American Wire Guage
In fused clapton in particular, it means the size of the cores, and is followed by the wrap:
EG:
2x26/32 = 2 cores of 26awg, wrapped with 32awg
4x28/36 = 4 cores of 28ga, wrapped with 36
Etc
Thanks for that. So in respect of coil building for flavour etc. Which would be the best AWG 24,26, or 28
You’re just going to have to experiment a bit as you start out to see what you’re looking for, and how it interacts with your hardware.
I’ve also been using dual fused 2x26/36 to compare, and my preference is the paralleled variation, in my atty, and on my mod.
The coil/atty/mod all work hand in hand and affect the overall performance (delivery of the vape).
I like a steady temp, from start to finish, and usually take 7 second long pulls.
Some like an initial blast of heat, and then taper off to something cooler.
Some like it cool to start, and finish up with a medium temp/power.
Etc etc.
My suggestion would be to describe how you prefer to vape, and get some input from folks who not only vape like you do. But also on similar hardware (if possible).
Include things like: temp/power settings, mod, atty(atties), duration, and wire type(s). EG: kanthal, ss, Ti, etc.
I use the Dovpo Dual Topside squonk around 90-100 watts, I’d like to say it’s a steady temp, but does heat up slightly towards the end of the pull around 4 seconds. KA1 and SS
Is use this for the majority of my coils. But I like this premade I was given, which I’m lead to believe it’s fused or flat clapton
Ok… That’s a good start! (meaning the info in the last two posts)
That’s extremely hot for my tastes. So unlikely to be able to help (at least with specifics).
But I can clarify some for you…
It’s considered fused. Even though it appears flat. (the wires inside are round, as is the wrap)
The roll pictured above reads like it’s ONLY kanthal (and not a mix of wire types).
Further, they write it differently, but in keeping with the above examples, you can also express it like this: 2x26/32 (which funnily enough, was an example I used before!
Yours has no SS involved though (at least on the pic shown above).
But you do need to watch closely when it comes time to buy, because there are vendors who sell mixed wire types (because that’s what some want).
Hang tight, and I’m sure you’ll get some good suggestions on ways to go/things to try.
Again, atty info would help though, they play their part as well.
Bad picture for an example… But the outermost wire is a flat (aka ribbon) wire.
Then you have three claptons (one that you can’t see, under the top two) inside of the flat wire… (praying this doesn’t further confuse you)
Coil building is a lot like mixing your e-liquids… different people like different things and there’s no wrong or right as long as you stay within the safety limits of your mod and batteries.
Which AWG you’re going to work best for you is something you’ll find out through experimentation. If you’re thinking about building a certain coil, it’s always a good idea to check on steam-engine.org to find out if it even makes sense to build that coil for your setup.
Besides the width of your wire, other factors play a role. Which material are you going to use and why. Kanthal, Ni80 (nichrome), stainless steel, titanium, nickle, or even some other less common alloys that you can find for sale, they all have different properties and may or may not be for you.
Some of these wires can do temperature control (or replay), others can’t. Some retain heat a lot more and others cool off pretty much instantly. The flavor that you get on all these metals are noticeably different as well… and then you could make hybrid coils where you wrap your cores in a different material from your cores.
I’d say however, that the main factor in deciding your wire thickness, should be your desired resistance and the type of coil that you’re after.
If you want a 4 core fused clapton for a nice and wide coil, you’re probably not going to be able to use a 24g wire in stainless steel. It would result in such low resistance that it wouldn’t be safe to vape on most mods. In stainless steel, I usually go for a dual core with 26g or a triple/quad core with 28g.
The wrap you put around it, isn’t going to do much about the resistance, but it is defining in how much heat your coil will retain after you’ve vaped. A thicker wrap will give you more contact surface but it can be annoying how much longer it takes for your coil to cool down. Just 2 gauges difference can make a massive impact on the total mass of your coil.
The “rule” I heard when I started, was to keep your wrap at least 6 guages higher than your core. So for a 26g core, you wouldn’t take anything less than a 32g wrap. You can go as fine as you can but I think most people here probably use somewhere between a 32g and 40g, depending on their skills, tools and how good their eyes are.
The intention of a special coil vs round wire coil, is that you have more contact surface with the liquid, hence you vaporise more liquid which should give you more vapor and more flavor molecules that you can taste.
You can achieve this goal by using more metal. The result of this is that it takes more energy to heat up and the more massive a coil is, the longer it will take to cool down as well. Like I said before, different metals have different properties, but if you compare with the same metal of your choice, the more massive coil will always take more time and energy to heat and needs to dissipate that to cool down.
The other way of achieving this goal, is to use a metal wire with more contact surface like a ribbon, flattened wire or by using smaller round wires and combining them so that you create crevices in the build. E.g. a quad core fused clapton vs a dual core fused clapton (both with the same mass), then the quad core will have a bigger surface area because it’s flatter and wider, it will have more crevices but the trade off is that it’s more difficult to build. Not only is it finer wire but you also have to keep the round cores straight next to each other. It’s easy to turn it into a quad core twisted coil which will reduce the surface area and give you a completely different vaping experience.
You just have to experiment, see what works for you and you’ll have to weigh off how much time you’re going to put in building your coils, see how much difference the different builds give you, which material you prefer to vape on or work with, what the resulting resistance is, battery life, vape experience, … it’s all a very personal choice and just like with making e-liquids, it takes a couple tries to find out what is right for you. Over time when you get more experience and more & better tools, you’ll find it easier to make builds with a higher level of difficulty that may perform or look better.
I’ve just bought some of them ready made. Can’t wait to test them. They are going in my drop dead as soon as I’ve finished the last of the current juice I’m vaping which will be within the next hour or two.
What is it called when you get 4 sinhle core claptons in a bunch and clapton them all together.
Among other things… I’m pretty certain it falls under the “fused” category
About 0.03 ohms
@GuernseyNick I used to know the answer to that but have since forgotten during my move into distribution wiring. Good news is, I haven’t lost my touch.
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Fantastic rundown mate