You guys sure how to make someone feel bad for their work. Thanks.
@Ckemist we mostly talk in jest⌠we evaluate and babble. There is nothing wrong with what your doing, and it is a great way to keep the riff raff (donât think Rocky Horror here⌠think me) away. And I donât mean âawayâ in a bad sense. I personally ⌠mostly⌠do things by trial and error. Yes I ask for advise, yes I donât know a lot⌠but I have been there and done that, normally more than once.
Again, there is nothing wrong with a site that is helping and providing knowledge⌠also, (only sorta off topic)⌠the web design looks very nice.
EDIT:
I just had to re-read something I thought caught my eye⌠For 5 dollars a month for subscribers, somebody isnât working for free.
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Just put the ribs in foil for another 2 hours on in the smoker, they will be done about midnight or so⌠pork butt will be done about 7am or so⌠just ready for the morning crowd of rioters to come in off the streets⌠lol.
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Join us and I will wake the kids and make them lead us in another singing of Kumbaya.We will use the pitchforks to hold the sâmores over our torches!
We question the unknown , and we try and have a little fun while doing it.
Please donât take us too seriously and visit us more often!
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Love ribs , I too use the 3-2-1- method.My BIL had the best ribs ever on the past July 4th holiday.He had some ground cloves he used in his rub.I must admit it was very tasty , I donât know why I had never tried that before.
Earlier I said âI donât have anything nice to say.â Let me say that was not to make you or anyone else feel bad. I just donât get what the purpose of The Fake ELR even is. If you were to have your own site that you build from the ground up I would think cool, someone else expanding the DIY community. But it just seems the âworkâ that youâre doing was already doneâŚhere. It just seems weird. Maybe explain what youâre doing and why so those of us who donât know can understand.
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Recognition is always good. How was it determined who was the âtop?â Vs not?
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You make this comment and then in your next post say that you are sorry we donât trust you. Why not just say Iâm working with { insert names you are working with here} instead of sounding like you are trying to hide something?
I guess after being burned numerous times in my life you have to ear my trust. I have come to trust the community as a whole here and many individual members as brothers and sisters. It didnât happen with one post from anyone.
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To expound on what @SthrnMixer has already said, which I agree with, had you come here and become a part of the community, then told us yourself what you were doing, it may have been received a little bit better. Instead, your site was discovered âthrough the grapevineâ as it were. It looks (even if it isnât the case) very much like youâre just hot-linking to ELR and other peopleâs work, then charging a subscription to view any of your âoriginalâ content.
Now, the concept of gathering information is great and I think your intention was to do that. I donât think you were meaning for it to come across the way it did. Like I said, had you been the one to come to us and say âHey guys, check out what Iâm doing. What do you think?â your motives likely wouldnât have been questioned. You say we should trust you, but we barely know you. Youâve made a total of 8 posts here (where many of the ELR members you claim to be working with and you feature hang out) and none of them really tell us anything about who you are.
Now, you can be frustrated that youâve gotten criticism, but realize that itâs going to happen any time you create something and put it out there for the public to view. You canât please all the people all the time. Not everyone thinks that ELR is the catâs meow (gasp I know, right? silly peopleâŚ) and they donât have a problem coming here or in chat or over on reddit or other places and saying so. Itâs par for the course. Heck, go check any of the top recipe comments and youâll see what I mean. If youâre proud of what youâve done, stand up for it. That being said, telling the people who criticize (or âcritiqueâ) your work that itâs them and not you isnât going to win you any brownie points or help you grow in your field.
If youâd hung out here at all youâd know that Iâm a pretty nice and welcoming person. Or I try to be. Iâm sure there are plenty of people around here that canât stand me and thatâs life. I do my best to be kind (and fair when it comes to moderating) to everyone. Iâd love for you to become a part of this community. Get to know the people and let people get to know you. Listen to what they have to say cuz thereâs some pretty fantastic, wise, and incredible folks here. And tell us what you think about things. Iâm sure youâve got some great insights to add as well.
All this being said, welcome to ELR! Iâm sorry that your intro here was like this, but know you are welcome here. Weâre a family and, on the whole, we protect our own. The raised hackles and ruffled feathers probably made that pretty obvious. Pull up a chair, introduce yourself, and see if youâd like to be adopted, too. 
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Firstly the site was created in june as a place for my recipes like HIC has set up. It started to evolve based on needs.
The site is two parts a FOREVER FREE AREA that will never switch. it is just there to help and a members area for advanced diy and premium private recipes from mixers that donât want to make them public on elr. The membership allows for us (as of now @amy2, @kopel aka hocus, clayton moneymaker, myself, jenn harman, and one more that I am not going ready to announce till we are ready.) We are going to make member only recipes that arenât strawberry cheesecakes. Its our choice we feel to get value for substituting our time that goes to our regular jobs for this. The more time I work on site the better it is but there comes a point where if it doesnât collect revenue, I would have to focus on Nightclub clients for Digital Marketing. The membership allows the possibility to grow it into a full time focus not just for me but the entire team.
Free:
Recipebooks - a featured selection that the mixer picks of their best recipes, like a portfolio.
There are 3 live ones now with over 30 free recipes that you may not have ever seen or mixed but they are killer.
Kopel, Ckemist, and Harman Designs are live and free forevah
Free Help Mega Resource Page
A collection of all those links like the DIY link mega paste (which I felt was a disservice to a new mixer, just to drop 100 links with no real direction) so I created this more real comprehensive list.
Free Videos NEW TO MIXING with DIYorDIE and New Amsterdam Vape beginner videos (both gave permission)
An amazon affiliate shop (this is free but can profit me a 4-6% affiliate profit if someone buys any of these items on Amazon)
I created this because there are no DIY categories on Amazon. I had the tools already so it was a matter of categorizing the valuable items that I see as useful for DIY that arenât the normal things. Like a nail polish shelf for holding juices.
Mix Kit
Our Teams Flavor Stash
Basically a new flavors or things we are all mixing with for upcoming free or member recipes
Free Group Chat
Discord Group for group chat etc.
Fake ELR page - Not a main part of site mearly a helpful resource.
Not a traffic trick to get people to site nothing like that. I had a hard time getting info from homepage of ELR so I build this for me, then figured others would like it. But if they donât this is literally something I would turn off instantly if I kept getting gruff about it and it would go back to being my resource only. Itâs a 2% part of the overall site even if it is your only intro to the site.
Members Only Things - 100% original content produced by us. No piggybacking ever.
Golden Reserve Collection of Recipes - Hand picked originals by our team that we only want members to see
Stone Collection - A collection of base recipes like cream, whiskey, rum, custard, pie crust, cookie, icing, etc.
Member Lab - Christopher Kopel Deeper DIY Articles and writing (others will write here deeper diy too down the road)
Member Flix - Clayton from Steam Room will be doing flavor reviews, pairings, deeper diy, etc Videos
Member Questions - Quora based plugin to allow voting of best answers of member questions answered by ejm adv team.
Members App - an iphone, android, windows, app with all the site features and files, videos, blogs, etc. Full App free to members
Member Ideas - My gf has pinned over 1k recipes for fruits, cocktails, and general vaping pins. It loads 10 random ones each visit to help in recipe creation.
Its forever $5 a month. We have 3 members that have paid. 20 members I have gave out free subscriptions too. Never spent a dollar yet of EJM money. I have spent over 300$ of my money and over 500 of my freelance hours on it. A rate that bars pay $45 an hour for. So I see my âfree workâ as worth or in place of real work. I will charge a membership fee. I will make money if people want to sign up. That is our right as a team to get value for our work. It is our duty to ensure that the $5 value is always us giving them more than their moneyâs worth. Also ensuring that there are more free resources out there to help new mixers vs private.
Hope that clarifies the project and team and scope. Thanks
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Perfect explanation, and thanks for that. I wish this had come before âspringingâ it on us the way it was, but regardless I appreciate the explanation. Looks like youâre trying to take things to a different level. That may be wonderful for some who are more obsessed than I. Maybe if the day comes I have more time from work (like hiring 3 people to do what I do now) I will come check you out. Unfortunately I donât have that kind of time and Iâm very happy giving my spare time to ELR. With thatâŚbest of luck to you. 
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And my feelings last night was just disappointment, to hear from people like @SthrnMixer and @jojo
who were people on my list to reach out to.
And after reading this it made me not want to even ask anymore
I donât mind criticism. I just find people donât always treat others the way they wish people would treat them if they were in the other position. to even start building this thing it is massive 20 pro plugins, scaled dedicated hosting, app fees and setup. Took every penny I had just to get hosting scaled for aug after visitors were coming daily in june. I turned the membership part on to test members only pages.
I had 20k visits, 200 users every day avg. and 50% return rate daily. 4k total users visiting in just june alone and the stats have doubled for august. I have been doing all i can to keep the site functioning in all areas while still adding more value daily. I am unable to enjoy forums since i was a child, adhd plus endless comments make it hard for me to learn that way. FB groups are the same questions over and over and over and over.
I found DIYorDIE then reddit. But I spend my time reading not asking questions as the reddit sidebar so nicely says
I just started putting together what I wish I had found when I started,.
Based on sorting ELR by rating. Its not perfect but its all there is. Then by going page to page looking for only 2016. it was all hand done.
Yeah itâs called building a website, sometimes you actually have to do something on you own.
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Whatever. I never heard from you and from the looks of it many others didnât either. If youâre looking for sympathy or an apology, keep looking. You wonât get it from me.
And now Iâm done.
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Well now you all know what it is and what we are up to.
And you know where we will be at. If you wish to support feel free.
Thanks to all that do support us!
This will likely be my last forum post though based on the weather round here.
Nothing wrong with the weather, itâs just the swells you have to watch out forâŚ
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I wouldnât say weather. I find people to be very welcoming and helpful. I do also see that many take pride in helping others for free. Take pride in giving credit where credit is due. Take pride in raising the vale of secrecy behind how to make a darn good vape.
Like Jojo said, take a seat, participate, help others, and you will be well recieved. Even if you have fallen someone is more than happy to pick you up.
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Thaaaaats why your admin 
I literally just jumped out of my seat threw my arms in the air and shouted "HALLELUJAH!"
much to the surprise of my entire household seeing as I am a devout atheist 
well said @JoJo 
all seems a bit cliquey to me, I like ELR because the best people in all of Vapeington are accessible for advice, inspiration and friendly banter, not because they are shut behind closed doors in a âmembers onlyâ board meeting and governed by an overly defensive moderator (ECF-ish). In my short term at ELR I have learnt one thing, it doesnât need a spin off, itâs better than fine just as it is.
Just my opinion though and Iâm entitled to thatâŚapparently 
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