Diketones, Oils, Sugars, GMO – All-in-one page: FA, TPA, FLV, CAP, FW, LB, etc

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Also just found out that WF - Wonder Flavours provide all of their MSDS documents in one place, and on their site: https://diy.wf/SDS/

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Great summary on one page. Will include it on the main post since easy to find (i have all these links spread around). Thx @NikosD :+1:

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Hey Walt, I was wondering why there’s no DAAP info on the site anymore? Also, most resellers had product photos that showed whether each was in that particular flavor, but those seem to be gone.

Is there anywhere I can get info on DAAP info aside from not added?

I’m not anti DAAP at all, but I do try to find out what I’m using, and also, I just wonder!

Thanks a mil for all you do in the DIY community and for being available to us!

:heart:

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Hey there! Great question. After a long time and some tweaks, all flavors are now DAAP free.

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That. Is. Incredible. You’re saying I don’t have to open six tabs in my browser to look for an SDS or random forum post to find out what’s in my concentrate and just buy the best?!

You just made my whole life! Haha :joy:

So anything available now is DAAP free? Or is there a period where some distributors still have stuff from before the change?

I just want to know if I can go to a vendor like DIY or ECX and get any RF flavor without worrying about research.

You have no idea how much time you’ve saved me or how happy I am! RF has always been my favorite. I’m a fruit addict, and yours are like biting into the real thing! I guess I get the name, now! :wink:

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Thank you for the kind words :smile:

I don’t know about all the distributors to be honest. Any lot number after AA46/AA47 will not have DAAP. I would assume they are phasing them out pretty quick.

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White Chocolate by FlavorWest (FW) has sucralose.

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Any new info on Lorann’s aside from the list you gave when you first posted? I apologize if I’m missing it. Still somewhat new to DIY (almost two years haha) and extreeeeeemely new and terrified of forums and making a fool of myself! :joy:

BTW, I visit this post every time I buy flavors and would be absolutely lost without it. Can I PayPal you a beer? Or a couple bottles of concentrate? :wink:

Just would love to show my appreciation for all you’ve done, IMHO, in the name of transparency. I love that I can just get the info without the debate. Most of the time, anyway! Haha.

You’ve put in a lot of work, continue to do so, and I want you to feel appreciated for it! Anything I can ever do for you- please let me know! :pray::heart:

-Terra

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Thx mate. i added the info above.

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I’m speechless. Thank you so much for your kindness. :heart::heart: All we ask is a transparency; without it, there is a mistrust (and probably a good reason behind why they are so ignorant to their customers and not transparent).

I will check LA this weekend and hopefully find some new info. Thx Terra.

 
 

Update: Sadly, nothing new with LorAnn.

They have stated that they do not use diacetyl but they refuse giving any information whether or not they use Acetyl Propionyl or Acetoin. I found elsewhere that some of their flavors, like Cheesecake, contain AP. (also @NikosD got some info here; thx mate). So if you want to avoid AP/A probably best thing is to look elsewhere for suspect flavors like creams, deserts, caramels, coconut, etc. Fruits are generally AP/A free.

Since talking about LorAnn’s, i would definitely put more attention to avoiding other ingredients in their flavorings which are proven not to be the best for vaping (like oils, artificial coloring, Caprylic Capric).

The most basic info haven’t changed for years (here ); but have in mind that green color does not mean AP/A free.

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Update

 

Amoretti (AMO) added
Simply Flavor (SIM) added

Wonder flavors (WF) confirmed that all their flavors are GMO free

Capella (CAP) moved higher on a transparency table; small improvement

Capella - new improved formulas and new V3 flavors. Quick info about their flavors (including DAAP and new and discontinued flavors in September 2019) is here

A cookie for those who were claiming how much they love diacetyl in VC1: Capella says ‘Diacetyl has never been used in the production of any of our flavors’

 
 
Also here are some quick info about new Harvard research about DAAP (from this year)
https://diyordievaping.com/2019/02/04/harvard-daap-study/

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Study finds e-cig flavors can damage cardiovascular cells

“These effects varied between the liquids, with the most potent being a cinnamon-flavored product.”

There’s a reason some cinnamon flavors crack plastic tanks. Disposing all my cinnamon flavors. Removing all cinnamon flavors from my recipes.

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Being cautious is good, but have you gone deeper than the CNN article? Tossing out a bunch of flavors without reading the study itself, fact checking, looking for critics of the study, etc, could be a knee-jerk reaction.

The study was performed with only 6 e-liquids on cultured cells, likely in a petri dish.

“evidence of toxic effects – including poorer cell survival and signs of increased inflammation – on a type of cardiovascular cell.”

What type?

“As proxy for what might happen in someone’s blood vessels, the researchers observed how these cells responded when in contact with e-liquids as well as fluid from the blood of a small group of participants who had vaped.”

I wonder if they tried this with Apple Sauce sprinkled with Cinnamon! Should we be eating Cinnamon?

I’m just saying that the article would need following up and a deeper dive if I were to make a drastic decision like yours. Only you can moderate you, though, so I’m not saying keep vaping Cinnamon.

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There are so many other flavors and combinations to enjoy; why take the risk when there is evidence suggesting an adverse correlation. Keep in mind all these flavors are GRAS (Generally Regarded As Safe) to EAT not BREATHE. Good luck.

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@iVapeDIY, this was my main point, the other stuff about eating it was tongue in cheek. Sorry, i kind of got on a “roll.”

CNN and other major news outlets have a solid history of drumming up fear based on misinformation and half-truths. Especially in regards to vaping.

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Whether CNN or Fox, you ultimately have to decide what you shove into your body. Once you get COPD (or something worse) your only recourse will be to sue CNN or Fox … Good luck with that.

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Cherry-flavored e-cigs may deliver higher levels of benzaldehyde than other flavors

Benzaldehyde was detected in 108 out of 145 e-cigarettes (74%), with the highest levels detected in the cherry flavoured products. Yields of the chemical were around 43 times higher than in these products.

The estimated daily inhaled dose from cherry flavoured e-cigarettes was 70.3 ug, which is more than 1000 times lower than the maximum permissible workplace exposure level.

While not linked to cancer, like ‘cinnamon’ (cinnamaldehyde), benzaldehyde is a potent lung irritant at certain concentrations. Disposing all my cherry flavors. Removing all cherry flavors from my recipes.

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What I’ve found in your referenced paper does not (in itself, to me) seem to be highly alarming information.

From the full text of the published paper (2016) referenced in the article (PEL = permissible exposure limit):

The benzaldehyde doses inhaled using 30 puffs from flavored e-cigarettes were often higher than doses inhaled from a conventional cigarette. The estimated median daily inhaled dose of benzaldehyde from cherry-flavored e-cigarettes was 70.3 μg, which would be over one thousand times lower than the PEL dose for benzaldehyde concentrations in the workplace.

(For what such information may be worth), Benzaldehyde does not appear on the FDA’s “Harmful and Potentially Harmful Constituents in Tobacco Products and Tobacco Smoke: Established List” (2012) here, and also does not appear on the FDA’s “Proposed Addition of 19 Toxicants to the HPHC List” (2019) here.

EPA Report (2015): The effects of inhalation exposure to benzaldehyde have not been evaluated in humans. … The effects of inhalation exposure in animals to benzaldehyde have been evaluated in one short-term-duration study (Laham et al, 1991).
Note: The Laham et al 1991 study reported data is described in the latter portion of the quoted text from “Occupational Toxicants, Vol. 17 (2002)”, appearing below. Abstract of Laham paper can be found here.

International Journal of Toxicology (2006): Benzaldehyde is absorbed through skin and by the lungs, distributes to all well-perfused organs, but does not accumulate in any specific tissue type. After being metabolized to benzoic acid, conjugates are formed with glycine or glucuronic acid, and excreted in the urine. Little acute toxicity was seen. … Repeated inhalation of volatilized Benzaldehyde produced ocular and nasal irritation at 500 ppm and death in rabbits at 750 ppm.

Occupational Toxicants, Vol. 17 (2002): Benzaldehyde is absorbed well via the gastrointestinal tract, skin and lungs. In rats exposed to the substance by inhalation, benzaldehyde is rapidly distributed, especially in the blood and kidneys, and excreted very rapidly almost exclusively with the urine with a half‐time of about 10 minutes. After oxidation of benzaldehyde to benzoic acid, the main urinary metabolites are glucuronic acid conjugates or hippuric acid; after reduction of benzaldehyde to benzyl alcohol, the excretion product is benzyl mercapturic acid. … The main effects during occupational exposure to benzaldehyde are irritation of the skin, eyes and mucous membranes of the respiratory passages. Despite the relatively widespread use of the substance there is no evidence of a pronounced sensitization potential in man. The acute toxicity of benzaldehyde is low. … In a short‐term inhalation study, groups of 14 Sprague‐Dawley rats per sex and group were exposed in whole animal exposure chambers on 14 consecutive days, for 6 hours a day, to benzaldehyde vapour in concentrations of 0, 500, 750 and 1000 ml/m3 (about 2200, 3300 and 4400 mg/^m3). During the experiment 11 animals from the 1000 ml/m^3 group died (10 females, 1 male) and 3 female animals from the 750 ml/m^3 group. … Histopathological examination revealed in the 500 and 1000 ml/m^3 groups slight (male animals) to minimal (female animals) goblet cell metaplasia, mainly in the region of the nasal septa. Inflammatory or degenerative changes in the nasal mucosa and changes in other organs and tissues were not detected.

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Boiling temperature of Benzaldehyde is ~178 *C (~353 *F). At what are very high temperatures ranging from 927-1527 *C, pressures between 0.1-0.2 Atmosphere, molecular decomposition has been reported:
… benzaldehyde resists decomposition until higher temperatures when it fragments to phenyl radical plus H atoms and CO: C6H5CHO (+ M) → C6H5CO + H → C6H5 + CO + H. The H atoms trigger a chain reaction by attacking C6H5CHO: H + C6H5CHO → [C6H6CHO]* → C6H6 + CO + H. The net result is the decomposition of benzaldehyde to produce benzene and CO.

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Compiled some quoted/linked references (here and here) that (in my own personal opinion) may constitute some causes for concern surrounding the inhalation of cinnamaldehyde and 2-methoxycinnamaldehyde. :thinking:

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Excellent research. Comforting to know what I’ve already experimented with over several years is an insignificant exposure.

Will continue avoiding Cherry flavors for the foreseeable future though, to avoid systemic accumulation of benzaldehyde. So many other things I’m taking calculated risks with.

It would be great if you could post other flavor chemicals you’ve read having health risks, even if research is still limited. Thanks!

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