I’m late on this, so please forgive me. But you sir, would be a credit to any community. And you’re typing/spelling is better than many on this site. Mine included. If more people felt like you, the world would be a better place. I truly hope that all goes well for you. Words are easy I know, but my heart truly goes out to you. Puts things into perspective that’s for sure. Take care of yourself sir. Respect.
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The latest long term study (10 years) carried out by Professor Pidgeon? at University College London, determined that Vaping is 98% safer than traditional cigarettes. This is a revision of the previous estimate of 95%.
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Always nice to read about that since the corrupt organizations like WHO, ALA, FDA and MainStreamMedia will not publish these kind of researches - do you have a link Steve?
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I’m afraid I don’t have a link. I don’t remember where I read it, I think it was on Vaping Underground but I could be wrong. It’s genuine though, I haven’t made it up. It’s a fairly new study that came out this year. I’m pretty sure that the professors name was Pidgeon, but it could be Peacock. I know it’s a bird, and it begins with a P, lol, and it’s definitely not Partridge. I was pleasantly surprised because the last study claimed it was 95% and the new one is actually more favourable. What annoys me is that the MSM didn’t cover it! No change there then.
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I agree with you. I think the big tobacco companies are probably lobbying the government because of the revenue they stand to loose and in Canada tobacco products are taxed to the max so the government stands to loose all that tax revenue if people turn to vaping and away from tobacco. I expect to see the government implement a tax on the nicotine. If they dont just outright ban nicotine.
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The world has gone mad.Those who stand upon boulders attempting to be wolves seem quite sane as they howl at the moon. People always tell me that 50 years old isn’t that old at all however, I have seen the world change in ways that even I couldn’t have imagined as a young teen. The technology that we now take for granted seems to have somehow stolen our sanity it seems. When I say this to people though… They tell me I’m insane.
Sanity is a matter of perception at this point. The Twilight Zone is real, pigs do fly, and for some unknown reason, sheep are a requirement for those who have insomnia. Buck Rodgers, where are you when we need you the most lmao!
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My Brother. Sometimes I need a “tincture” and sometimes I can offer one. When everyone started carrying around camera phones of ever-higher pixel resolution, it was proffered that now maybe we could get that elusive video of a UFO or Sasquatch. What we got was a too highly resolved picture of ourselves and it’s not pretty. The scary aliens are us, Bigfootin’ it around, not caring who we stomp on.
Before, when you were much happier, actually you were just better insulated. Now we’re just billions of hot wires with ever-thinning insulation, way too close together, exposing too much. It’s all just a little TMI IMHO, much like my conversation with you right now. Even though I am offering advice you did not ask for, please consider my perspective …as a fellow traveler in CrAzYtOwN.
Things always move faster technologically/socially speaking. More people, more actions, more time passing …it’s a logarithmic cascade of input coming your way. Truth is Dead. What remains to hold onto? Perhaps this has always been true. Imagine some Native American Indian, standing on the shore, seeing that first Spanish ship coming ashore. We have no idea of what’s to truly come next, but that’s the Blessing, not the Curse.
In a real way that makes you free. You are only responsible for your actions in a Universal kinda way. So don’t focus so much on how badly all the fucknuggets are screwing it up, instead focus on choosing wisely for yourself …a tall order …things moving so fast and all. You need to make fast decisions and more importantly good ones. If Truth is failing in it’s clarity at any second, where to look? I believe following your emotions fail here because they are so easily self-tainting, but how have we all even survived over the Eons?
We Humans all have one thing in common. Even sociopaths and psychopaths, who may have little understanding of Love or Remorse, still posses Intuition. That instant “knowing”. Trusting it has been beaten out of us in general, because it’s difficult to manipulate. I feel it’s the answer to many problems when faced with those rapid-fire decisions. Intuition has been saving Humans for 10’s of thousands of years …was that shadow a saber-tooth tiger?!
See? You already know what to do. Input forces are whispering “look at all the crazy!?” but that doesn’t impact so much on what you do next. Trust yourself, trust that deeper sense that “knows”. It’s the basis for most Religions. I “know” it’s the core of Humanity. My regard for my own intuition
saves my bacon on a daily basis …and I like bacon. Being “faithful” is making a respectful promise to yourself to do what’s Right, and it’s easy to agree that a stronger Intuition results with each good decision …also a religious precept. So for me it matters not Who you worship, or if you do. I believe it’s how we’re wired and developing your Intuitive “muscle” is that much needed “insulation” we lack. You alone can make things better.
Socially Distant Hugs
have a better evening D
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I see logic fail to many times on a daily basis for words. I generally only get mad long enough to say, “Ah sh*t!!!”. Then it’s time to stow that and figure out what broke and what’s it going to take to fix it. These days, my idea of “fixing it” is being ready to run into the woods and HIDE. I’ve grown old enough to realize that all societies are self destructive. I may seem a bit negative however, I am simply a realist.
It’s when I look around and see things I never thought I would see happen that I begin to wonder… At least the consolation prize is there’s no need for a fictional movie to have popcorn night? Simply change the channel between “news” stations and you realize they resemble something like televised wrestling. Truth has always been a matter of perception. It’s when people perceive their ideas as the truth that things fall apart.
When you get told they know what you mean now when you say, “I’m right more than 2/3rds of the time but I’VE NEVER BEEN RIGHT!!!” is a day of days. I say, “a day of days” to reflect a remarkable moment in my life. It’s when your oldest son tells you he understands now that it becomes “a day of days”. It’s at that moment you realize you actually did do something right after all.
Try to stay insanely sane my friend. Imperfection is by design, not by accident. I’m by no means perfect so I must have been designed pretty damn well!!!
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A QUESTION ABOUT MIXING JUICES!!! (Finally, eh?).
Does anyone else have issues with the flavor disappearing after the mix sits??? I had a friend work with me who doesn’t have Parkinson’s make a recipe EXACTLY from this site. A week later he agreed with me that it tasted flat.
The only difference between what I make and what’s on the site is I’ve always used premix base instead of putting the VG/PG/Nic together myself. Oh, and the nicotine levels are higher than what’s listed. Instead of 6mg or 12mg nic I use 9mg. My friend uses 6mg though and that’s completely premixed stuff. I don’t have to do anything to that. I’m not sure what the lingo is for the starting juice before flavoring. I call it “base”.
More than 1/2 the recipes we made needed to have more flavor added (1-3% usually). My recipes with Flavorah don’t need changed. He tried a few of the ones I dialed in and he loved them. They can sit on the shelf and lose marginal amounts of flavor.
Yes, The mixes stay out of the sun, capped, and in a 72 degree environment always.
@anon84779643 (Smoky???) said the commercially sold ready made juices have fillers? My Flavor West’s mixes don’t change flavor from sitting either. I only have Blueberry flavor from them so mine’s a home made but my friend tried the freshly made juice and the stuff that’s sat a week. He said it doesn’t change.
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Your best bet would be to only add nic to juice you plan to vape right away. Especially large batches of juice.
Guitarded shared this in another thread…
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I knew it!!! I knew steeping was a chemical reaction and long suspected oxidation as an issue. I have said for a long time that juices with nicotine in them are an electrolyte which can be artificially oxidized by the application of an electrical current.
Basically it’s charging a battery. A lead acid battery is a perfect example of taking a simple electrolyte (marginal acid) and making it a stronger acid.
I should have investigated this a long time ago. I need to test the pH of some of the commercial stuff and see what their pH values are. Then all I have to do is add a small electrical current and see how long it takes to drive the pH down. Then simply do the math and I have a finished batch in a matter of hours.
I could taste it too. That’s what really bites. I could taste the acidic change (kicking myself IN THE ASS HERE!!!)
OMG THANK YOU!!!
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Yes… I am going bonkers over this!!! NOW I’M IN MY REALM!!!
(I can put it in a pressurized O2 canister too and let it oxidize that way but that’s not any fun…)
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This is a huge thread, and I have only read the original post, and your last question. So now I will give my thoughts on the first post you made here.
The government is going to do everything in their power to either get rid of vaping altogether, or do what they can to make as much money off of it as they do from the sale of cigarettes.
On a State by State basis, they are making it harder and harder for people to vape, meanwhile spreading anti-vaping propaganda. They are doing this a number of ways. Here are just a few I have seen.
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Taxing the hell out of vaping related sales such as ejuice sales (last I heard here in Indiana it was like $4/30ml), and taxing anything vaping related.
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Banning the sale of "unapproved vendors (including ejuice manufacturers).
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Banning the purchase of flavored ejuice
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Banning the sale/purchase of nicotine, or limiting the strength of nicotine you can buy while taxing the shit out of it.
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Banning the online shopping of vaping related items
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Spreading horseshit and fertilizing the public with anti-vaping propaganda by completely falsifying studies, bogus stories, etc.
This last one really concerns me. Because to win over public support for banning anything, first they have to get the sheep to all follow the sheppard. All these stories we see of studies, deaths caused by vaping, vape gear exploding, etc, are all just baby steps towards relieving us of our rights, money, freedom, and desires for a better life.
Just as the governments of the world are taking steps toward us, the ONLY thing that is going to slow them down is the vaping community takes steps towards them. If not, we get overrun, and they win. So it is either meet them in the middle for an all-out war, or we slowly surrender. Those are the only two outcomes.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it is going to get worse. It is every day. Little by little. They (the government) tried going the quick and easy route and faced opposition strong enough to stop them in their tracks. So now they are coming at us stealthily and methodically. Little by little they are breaking us down.
I took a 2 year vaping hiatus only to return to see people now can’t buy vaping related items. It has my blood boiling. Even when I wasn’t vaping, I was promoting vaping to friends and family. Spread the word every chance you can about your story and how vaping has helped you. Get into debates with the idiots that try to tell you vaping is bad. Believe me, there are a lot of stupid people out there that feed from the propaganda trough. Change as many people’s minds as you can.
And remember, for everything in this world you enjoy, the government wants a piece of it, or for you to pay money to enjoy it. We are all in the same boat. Vapers, and non-vapers alike. Nobody can afford to be one-sided anymore. The governments have grown too corrupt not to stand up to them.
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My thread is rather screwed up. It’s sort of a “read the last few posts” deal I guess? I absolutely do tell everyone I know about vaping vs. smoking. I can’t smoke anymore. WAY to much nicotine in a cigarette anymore. The tax man is coming… I’m pretty sure of that.
They’re rigging this election. Doesn’t matter what side starts it, both will use it. America, “The great experiment” is over. We were never supposed to have “career politicians”.
Everyone has to know that taxation is coming. That and a lot of other egregious things. I thought Virginia was going to spark a 2nd civil war when it’s new Governor was elected to be honest. Pushing back??? at this point, it’s word of mouth vs. social media and that’s moderated also.
Debates??? If the studies are there, they’ve been dismissed completely by the apposing side. To find someone who actually debates with real data both sides can agree on is impossible. I’m happy to argue, but no one debates anymore.
Whatever is happening to the US is planned. The population is so polarized now that it’s beyond phenomenally IMPOSSIBLE to demonstrate common sense about anything. I quit FaceB**k a long time ago because I watched friends with differing views (but not radicals) rip each other up in posts until they became radicals.
Both radical sides are being directed by ultra wealthy people. This induced fake radicalism creates room to cheat the system at this point.
People who smoke are now a minority. All I can do is try to convince those who still do that vaping makes you feel better than when you smoke. This country is facing a revolution. One that’ll either occur as guerilla warfare or total compliance. I could go on and on about the situation without getting involved in the politics of what’s occurring but really try not to.
I think vaping’s a topic I’ve decided to focus on completely. I’ve known what “Globalism” has meant since I heard about it, and “New world order”. These are simply terms to describe a societal state, not a political one. I stay away from it for a lot of reasons.
It’s a book now… Damn.
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Not at all. There is a lot of good discussion going on here (I am skimming through). But when I enter a thread for the first time that is as big as this one I start by reading the OP’s first and last comment. I like to reply on topic first before following the derailed parts of the train to their unintentional destinations lol.
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Sorry. I’m not huge into political agendas. I understand political states of society but avoid specifics of politics like the plague. Witnessing the real possibility of the change from a nation state to a global state wasn’t something I expected to see in my lifetime.
Yes. I panic about seeing what’s occurring in the country. You can’t hide from anything anymore.
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I agree with all you said (well written btw) except this one (it needs a word more, cause it’s not primarily the government to blame, but the fu…ed up system we live in).
Government is in the hands of Big Tobacco/Big Pharma (and other big players for other things) and it will do what they themselves come up with.
Better example is the situation in Europe where costs of tobacco are much much higher than any taxes collected, but they still don’t do nearly nothing to stop smoking; don’t count those cosmetic nonsense laws here. They could easily:
- reduce max amount of nicotine in cigs (as they say, remove the nic from the cigs and noone will be smoking anymore)
- forbid adding amonia in cigarettes (and the number of smokers will drop considerably in a short time; they started with this shit in 70’s or 80’s i think)
- promote vaping since it’s proven to be the easiest way to stop smoking (the reality is they want to prevent us vaping with some stupid laws)
Note that EU, contrary to the US, has no big tobacco industry (jobs, export) and that we have universal health care, so expenses from smoking are much higher for the country than any taxes collected. And still… nothing is done cause they have our governments in their pockets too (now compare this to the US). Country’s Ministers of Health don’t decide on this subject, but some corrupt fucks in Brussels do (otherwise some countries would have much more strict tobacco laws). It’s more corporations and this predatory ‘corporate state’ systems we live in to blame first, not governments (who can’t do much).
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I agree, but in the end, it all equates to more money in the hands of politicians.
I can’t remember where I found it, but it is public record here for anyone to see laws being voted on, and you can see who lobbies for these laws, and how much money they lobbied to push the laws through. There are tons and tons of laws being voted on with regards to vaping. And the biggest lobbies were from corporate law firms representing big pharma, big tobacco, etc. So, in the end, the politicians are getting rich getting their votes bought and passing laws that take away our freedoms. Corruption, right in the open, and it is perfectly legal.
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Doug’s new book 
Title: The Conspiracy is a Conspiracy or We’re all Sheep Ruled by the Guy with a CrOoKeD Staff
BoDarc >> “Drain the Pasture!!”
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