I have been using Uncle Junks JW for the past 3 years. To most it is obvious that a ton of cash has been handed over. I finally desired to start mixing and I need some feedback. Keeping it simple I just pick up a few flavors; RY4double (TFA), Butter Pecan (FW) and Vanilla Custard (cap) and 4 others. My recipe below taste great but the finish is lacking flavor almost dry? Any suggestions on strengthen it? Thanks in advance.
d00d, that was definitely my favorite juice before diy. I spent a year developing this clone:
Double your percentages across the board and let it sit for a month. Time heals all…
Tanks for sharing will try in the future need more flavors. I didn’t want to start out so complexed. Can you explain “Smooth” what it does?
BTW 12 hr of steep.
I use Ry4 around 8 percent normally and would up the other two as well
Using more of a Shake and vape until I can let steep for longer you think the time is a big reason for the flat finish?
I just lowered the percents from my first attempt as it seem heavy at first just slight as I liked the taste.
Are you using Flavour Art ry4 or are you using The Flavour Apprentice? that would make a huge difference percentage wise
Smooth is supposed to smooth out and enhance flavors. When I bought it, I didn’t know. At that crazy percentage I used it because it tastes like maple sap. It adds a very faint light-colored wood flavor.
You have to steep tobaccos tho. Only one that’s good snv imo is fa 7 leaves ultimate. It’s very floral for the first 2 weeks.
No way to judge a tobacco at 1 2hr steep tho. You need a month
One more thing, I am virtually certain John Wayne uses an NET or maybe absolute. That’s why it costs so much. It is nasty ashtray flavored on a low ohm mech, my mix is not. Works on everything.
@Kinnikinnick has forgotten more than I’ll ever know on NET and tobaccos in general. I’ll just say I like the synthetics because they don’t burn on my devices.
The Flavor Apprentice, whats the huge difference?
FA would most likely be more concentrated, TFA or TPA would be less. I had just observed you had two different ones in your recipes you posted is all
Great to see you are observant, when building my stash I wasn’t sure what to choose. But it is defiantly TFA am I wrong on 1.2? I notice it says "RY4 Double (TPA) but my bottle says “TFA” and “The Flavor Apprentice” and “RY4 Double”
TFA (The Flavour Apprentice) and TPA (The Perfumer’s Apprentice) are the same company. Flavour Art (FA) is a different company.
What @Joel5 was saying is that TFA/TPA are generally not as strong as FA, but without being sure which you were using it’s difficult to gauge whether your %s might be off.
I completely understand and agree however I needed to cut off the purchase of the JW or I just would not do it. So as I get more confident and getting to a taste I can accept then will make bigger batches and longer steep time. Thats my train of thought. So I will be getting more flavors and am so looking forward to your recipe too.
Best of luck man. I can’t recommend fw salted caramel highly enough. Hell, I get it, I lost my job and that stopped the JW right then. I’d probably bought 50 bottles…I just kept tweaking and adding flavors until I felt I was close enough.
It’s a very complicated juice and I don’t know if I did it justice, but it’s a crowd pleaser. If you like it or tweak it to make it better I’ll be happy. I know exactly what liking that juice is. Such a great caramel flavor. I think the MF caramel would work well, but I have a deep, abiding hatred of Medicine Flower and hope you wont patronize those liars. They can suck 3 bags of dix.
@the_technician, There is no shake and vape tobacco anything… except occasionally, for NETs… even then, a NET mix deserves about a week in the bottle to meld with the base mix before consumption. This is yet another reason I love my NET… the wait time for a mix being vapeable is 1/8 to 1/16 the time of synthetic concentrates.
@the_technician, Tobacco absolutes can be fairly inexpensive, considering the HUGE amount of concentrate one can make with the absolute. Typically, one makes up a 10% dilution from the absolute and then one uses 1% to 5% of the 10% dilution. Strong stuff!
Absolutes can add that certain tobacco flavor which can very difficult to clone in some liquids with using just stand alone tobacco concentrates. Often a combination of the two win the day.
WOW what a great group of people here! I will heed all of your advice as I am looking forward to becoming my own mixer. I obviously need to do much more study and build knowledge on the chemistry of flavors as well as other additives but wanted to thank you all! Will check out @Kinnikinnick and hope you keep on adding suggestions to my endeavor.