Flavorah Cured tobacco and Red Burley - gunky coils

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Hello Community! :slight_smile:

Recently have made couple of liquids with those flavors. At the end of the day, my coils look nasty, gunky and cotton is burnt.

I usually change my cotton everyday and that doesnā€™t happen with other liquids. Coils look ok and cotton is rarely burnt. ā€¦

What do you think is the reason for that? I know that dark flavors has sometimes effect like that but WHY?

It looks not really healthy all that stuff and Iā€™m thinking to myself to stop using that flavorsā€¦

Ideas? Suggestions?

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See if the manufacturer supplies ingredients which you can look at. If these flavors have been sweetened I would suspect fructose or something on those linesā€¦

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Welcome to my world @WhiteRaven! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I canā€™t say for sure if FLV tobaccos are laced with sweetener; you could send an email to FLV customer service and ask them. I am sure that their tobaccos are synthetic. FLV didnā€™t want to deal with the FDA any more than they have to already, with concerns of there being actual tobacco product in their concentrates. Thus, synthetic tobacco flavor.

I say, ā€œwelcome to my worldā€ because, for me, vaping tobacco flavors 24/7/365 is my world. Yup, my daily routine involves wick changes and coil burns. Mainly, because I vape naturally extracted tobacco (NET). Even when I was vaping primarily synthetic tobaccos, a good majority of them required me to do coil maintenance quite often.

It doesnā€™t afront me that much and I got used to the routine because, well, I love a tobacco flavored vape. A little bit of ass chapping pain for a great deal of vaping pleasure. Iā€™ll take it. :grinning:

Just out of curiosity, at what percent are you mixing the FLV tobaccos?

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Thanks for the answer @Kinnikinnick

My question is - why tobacco flavors gunk the coils actually. donā€™t think itā€™s related to sweetenersā€¦ itā€™s something else ā€¦ any ideas about health? :slight_smile:
you change your cotton twice a day then?

about Flavorah - i have used it according to median recommendations. sometimes even lower

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I know why my NET tobacco juices gunkā€¦ Natural dextrose in the tobacco and other plant resins, chlorophyll, waxes, blah, blah, blahā€¦ But damn itā€™s tasty! :grinning: And itā€™s all naturalā€¦not some concoction of 4000 some odd, nasty chemicalsā€¦ so Iā€™m good with that, health wise. I feel 1000% better now, than I did when I was inhaling actual burning tobacco leaves, thatā€™s for sure. :grinning:

I wish I had more of a grasp on explaining WHY synthetic tobacco molecules cause coil gunkā€¦ I just donā€™t know why. :thinking:

We need a chemist in the house!

Is there a chemist in the house?!?! :speaking_head:

When Iā€™m using a dripper (with straight NET), a wick change/coil burn is sometimes necessary after about 5 to 8ml of juice; so yes, about twice a day if dripping. With my tanks I take to work, I try to use a combo of NET and synthetic so I can get through the day without maintenance. :wink:

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Iā€™m in love with Cranberry and Cream but my recipe just plain flat out trashes the coil. If Iā€™m going to vape it, I accept the fact I get 1/2 the life out of the coil, if not as low as 1/3.

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Yupā€¦for me, some juices are just worth the PIA factor for satisfaction sake. :grinning:

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Tobacco Free Nicotine, Synthetic Nicotine, or Real Tobacco with natural dextrose and resinsā€¦
And if the nicotine is not from ā€˜tobaccoā€™, it is regulated by the FDA under ā€˜Pharmaceuticalsā€™.

Very few plants contain enough nicotine to be worth extracting, and none even come close to tobacco. It can be done from tomatoes, but you need so many kg of tomatoes per ml of nicotine that itā€™s not cost effective at all. If theyā€™re selling this at $20 per 30ml, theyā€™re either lying or else selling it at a massive loss. I find it pretty telling that I canā€™t find any information revealing where this nicotine actually comes from, the company seems to only be saying that it doesnā€™t come from tobacco. Okayā€¦ so where does it come from, then? Aliens? Is it from space? Because Iā€™d totally vape the shit out of some Martian e-juice if thatā€™s the case.

Or maybe itā€™s synthetic nicotine. Surely thatā€™s not absurdly cost prohibitive. Letā€™s ask Christian Berkey, CEO of Johnson Creek:

Most studies regarding synthetic nicotine were conducted in the 60ā€™s and 70ā€™s by tobacco companies looking for a way to add nicotine on the manufacturing level instead of on the agricultural or botany level. Purely synthetic nicotine is made with a combination of Niacin, Ethanol, Sulfuric Acid and a few other nasty chemicals. When adjusted for inflation, the cost of the process is prohibitively expensive when compared to modern extraction methods. Additionally, weā€™ve never seen research indicating a feasible pharmaceutical grade product - industrial grades only. While modern technology may allow for additional resolution steps, we believe the cost has kept it from being seriously pursued. That combination of high cost and more importantly low quality makes it a presently unacceptable option for Johnson Creek.

While additional research may have been done, weā€™ve never seen published works stating so. To our knowledge, there is currently no firm offering a synthetic pharmaceutical grade nicotine.

Hmm, so itā€™s probably not that either. So weā€™re left with either

A: Aliens.

B: The company is selling this stuff at a massive loss just out of the kindness of their hearts.

C: Some tiny e-juice company developed a new technology for cheaply synthesizing nicotine that modern science (funded by Big Tobacco) has been unable to come up even after 50 years of research and development.

D: Itā€™s bullshit.

I mean, I want to believe itā€™s aliens, but smart moneyā€™s going with option D.

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Being @Kinnikinnick says tobaccos contains a natural dextrose then you should read thisā€¦

Dextrose is a form of glucose derived from starches. It is one of the
most commonly used ingredients in packaged foods because of its
affordability and wide availability. Baking products and desserts often
contain dextrose, but it may be used as an added sugar in any processed
food that is sweetened by the manufacturer. Because the name varies
depending on its original starch source, you may not realize a
particular food contains dextrose.

I would be willing to bet this is what makes your coils gunk up.There is basically a starchy sugar naturally occurring in tobaccos. Sounds like the cause to me. As far as safety, who knows, but still safer the cigarettesā€¦

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This would be my guess. :stuck_out_tongue:

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