Help with Tobacco Flavours

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I’m not much help when it comes to tobaccos, because I’m just starting with them.

Just like you I bought a couple ry4’s because I thought I would enjoy them much more, since people were saying you barely taste tobacco in those.

That’s true but in general I didn’t liked them, so I got (DIYFS) holy grail as well as (WF) vanilla ruyan custard, and (JF) ry4 in all of them you taste definitely tobacco note, but due to its mixed with a more “dessert” kinda notes ( vanilla, creams, etc) it’s not in your face or off putting to me at least and better then tpa’s mess of ry4 double.

I also got (flv) red burley, but to me that’s no doubt tobacco. On top of that, it reminds me of old men cologne, if I would inhale it, probably tastes the same lol. You will have to like tobacco for that one, in my opinion, it’s good but I’m just not there yet or at a point where I can enjoy just the tobacco taste.

But I would recommend the other ones.

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For sweet tobacco taste, I’d go with purilum sweet tobacco. It’s in the name :grin: and got good reviews on the recipe side.

If you want to buy more tobacco flavors, I’d re read what kinnikinnick said up there. Dude knows his tobacco.

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I went down a similar path when I started searching for DIY tobacco mixes that suited my tastes. I l also prefer a tobacco with a bit of sweetness in the background. I’d try a particular tobacco flavor, and then try and bring up the sweetness in the background, by adding traditional ‘sweet’ flavors to the original tobacco, like chocolate, vanilla, caramel, etc. They just never hit the spot for me.

What got me pointed in the right direction (for my tastes) was trying more than one tobacco in the same mix. I also tried to stay at 5% or less, of total flavoring in a tobacco recipe. Tobaccos each have their own profile that they bring to a recipe. Some are light or mild, some bold, some on the sweet side, etc.

By experimenting with different percentages of each, in the same recipe, you might be amazed at how the overall profile of a recipe changes, just by altering the percentages slightly. Try and stay at 5% total flavoring.

For example. Tobacco A is a light, mild flavor. Tobacco B is a bolder tobacco. Tobacco C has a bit of sweetness.

Tobacco A 3.5 %
Tobacco B 1 %
Tobacco C .5 %

Not enough ‘tobacconess’? Drop A to 3% and raise B to 1.5% and note what happened, overall. With just 3 tobaccos, all bringing something a little different to the party, you will be able to ‘tune’ the recipe, and create a profile that suits you. It will take time, and experimenting, you’ll feel the recipe profile changing as you get closer (or further away) to what you’re looking for.

For the record, I find RY4’s and RY4 Double rather disgusting, but to each their own. I do however like Hangsen RY1. Hangsen’s RY system starts with RY1 (least sweet) and goes up to RY4 (sweetest). RY1 is the only ‘RY’ I like, personally.

Don’t give up. Experiment, read, and experiment more, and read some more. Your combos are out there.

This is an outstanding thread, about tobacco flavors & tobacco recipes. There’s an incredible amount of info in it.

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Ingredient

ml

Grams

%

Nicotine juice 36 mg (100% VG)

5.00

6.31

50.00

PG dilutant

2.80

2.91

28.00

VG dilutant

1.00

1.27

10.00

Total base

8.8

10.49

88

RY4 Double (TPA)

0.50

0.50

5.00

Salted Caramel (FW)

0.40

0.40

4.00

Super Sweet (CAP)

0.10

0.10

1.00

Vanilla Swirl (TPA)

0.20

0.20

2.00

Totals

10

11.69

100

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I decided to have a go at reproducing the black cherry tobacco I used to smoke and I was staggered at the results (in a good way). This was for MTL vaping in a 40pg/60vg mix.
I mixed Inawera Black Cherry Tobacco at 3% and let it steep for a few weeks. For me that was a little strong on the black cherry and weak on the tobacco flavour. Slightly sweet but not sickly. The right kind of sweet for tobacco if that makes sense. Anyway, being a lazy person I then tried mixing that tester 50-50 with a shop bought Virginia tobacco eliquid that I knew I liked, and the result is what I use for my MTL vaping all the time.
The tobacco element is “tobacco-esque” - I wouldn’t want it to taste like smoking a roll-up anyway, and the black cherry is exactly how I remember my old tobacco smelling and tasting. It’s very satisfying :slightly_smiling_face:

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Interested by the recipe. Any idea what the commercial Virginia juice could be made out of?

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That 5% isn’t the cause of the burnt taste, that’s a reasonable amount to use for RY4D…
I’d follow other people’s excellent advice here, read up on the tobacco threads, make a selection and order some other flavors you can experiment with.
People new to DIY quickly learn that taste is an incredibly subjective thing. What some people rave about may be revolting to you, and the other way around. A lot comes down to experimenting and being open to try new things.

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Thank you everyone for your replies :smiley:

I will try Turkish, Black Honey and Soho and see how I like the flavours. It’s going to be a fun journey :stuck_out_tongue:

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Sadly no, I’ve tested inawera Virginia and it’s not that. The eliquid in question is from OnePoundEliquid.com if you want to have a look at it.

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As

This is a great flavour i usualy like ashy tobaccos but that ry4 is great here is a mix my mate @TamVapes

loves as you can see she mixes 500ml at a time i am only missing the rice crispy treats but these flavours should be fairly acsess able to you in the usa
Also fear does a mix with this ry4 and most mixers i have talked to about ry4 say it is the best.

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Now if you had told me that Monday, my order from vapable ( which stocks one pound brand both as ready to vape and concentrates ) has just arrived… I’ll give it a try with what I have. Too many flavours too little time.

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That sounds like a very good combination of tobacco flavors. Go lightly with the Black Honey Tobacco. I find it very potent. Let us know how it turns out!

Good Luck!

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He gave you some sound and helpful advice!!
It will be a journey…. but at the end, if you really like tobacco, there’s only one end to this journey……. NET! And I’m not a tobacco expert, but all mixers know that…
You could like some of them and make some fab mixes ( I love Red Burley FLV coupled with Red Oak / Virginia) but I’m conscious that the only way to go is, organic…. with the best leaves… Sooner or later… I will… tried a couple of times, and it wasn’t awful, but needs a lot of improvement… :joy:

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This is one of the flavours that Inawera had to reformulate. Have you tried it since? From what I hear it’s not the same any more.
I still have an old bottle of it so I haven’t tried the new one either.

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That’s sad news for folks who liked Gold Ducat, as it was. :confused: I haven’t tried it since the reformulation. This, in itself, is one of the reasons I don’t post too often about synthetic tobacco flavors… I’m not entirely up on all the news about flavors which might have changed, name changes, or even exist anymore. However, my memory of how they used to taste still prevails. I did go back and edit my post; striking Gold Ducat from my list. I’d hate to lead someone down a wrong path. :persevere:

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Ah. Different one pound eliquid company (check the link) :+1:

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One pound eliquid vs one pound vaping company
I get the idea… :man_shrugging:
Going to open the 99p vaping company and see how clever they look!

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I haven’t tried it since the reformulation either. I still have a few unopened bottles of original formula. It’s too bad, GD was a good one.

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It happened to me, I learnt it that the hard way… I raised “A” because in my head it was the top note… wrong…
In my case it was:
Red Burley
Latakia
Virginia
and kept increasing the RB… wroooong, when I increased the Latakia… I learnt…

:joy::rofl:

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