The ELR naming convention is:
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Oh I see okay I have edited that! Good eye
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Impressive. I spent a while trying to do a Juul like liquid, gave up in disgust (with my incompetence that is.) In the mean time I’ve been more successful at a few recipes that I actually do like vs commercial stuff, amazing how taste changes over time. Once this is fully steeped I would like an objective evaluation if possible.
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Forsure, so far I think it’s missing raw extracts and I may remove the bitter wizard since it’s not coming off as sweet and may mute the flavouring in it. And I think the bit of sweetness is needed but I ordered a caramel and that’s definitely not it even at a low percentage, I may try the sweetness recommended earlier by rocky. And I feel like it’s missing a cream mouth feel so I may need to add that flavour into it as well. But I will post once I’ve let it steep further. Back to back with the juul it’s similar but different forsure which may be fixed with the raw extracts. However it’s good enough so far to hold me over.
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Note* I have modified the recipe since it was missing sweetness. Once I have time I will order vanilla bourbon and replace the bitter wizard with it at the same ratio unless this steeps well. I’ll message in about 7-14 days and give you my honest opinion
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Don’t know if it would work in this recipe. But FA Meringue at 0.5-1% is great for adding fluffy mouthfeel, not necessarily creamy, and a small amount of sweetness.
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Hm, that’s a pretty good option too I’d say. I may look into getting some to try as well. I guess it depends if you want it to have a dark vanilla or pure mouth feel almost. I might try them out together in separate batches and make one that’s a 50/50 mix. What would you say it tastes like?
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At 1% it tastes slightly sugary. At 0.5 it’s just a barely noticeable sweetness. But I haven’t experimented with tobaccos yet so it may not be the best thing to use. At these low percentages in a bakery or fruit recipe you basically don’t notice it, it just makes the vapour thicker and fluffier.
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so after letting it step for 4 days, the oak isn’t as strong, it tastes similar to Juul, but its missing that benzoic bite/ throat kick, it also seems to have lost the nutty flavour from the Pyrazine, so that may need a slight slight bump up, and the oak is less strong, keep in mind im using the ova xlim pro 3 and have found 11 watts to be a nice power.
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what percent do you think my overall flavour should be on a 1.2 ohm oxva at 11 watts. it seems to be a very dull flavour at the moment, not sure if its the bitter wizard from my initial batch or if its just under flavoured. and what’s the max acetyl Pyrazine you recommend? that was what gave this flavour a close profile to Juul I find with an undertone of oak.
I also feel it’s missing some creamy sweetness so I may add creme fresh/Veratryl aldehyde substitute from TFA I believe to help with a few flavours and stuff as well as trying to add something else as its missing something
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also note I definitely need tobacco absolute which rocky mentioned from flavour jungle, its getting overpowered forsure so far, I have mix another batch with less oakwood since it seems Tobe very aggressive, may switch to oak bourbon which. believe rocky mentioned for white oak as this one seems like red oak
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A vape tobacco"s in a MTL tank at low wattages and i would maybe increase"Virginia to 1.5% and "cured to 1% for a touch more flavour or keep as is an add additional flavours to compliment the tobaccos you use.
You could turn the wattage up slightly to increase vapour production and flavour to a maximum 14 watts but Make sure you allow enough time between puffs to allow juice to soak the cotton and replace what you’ve just vaped.
You can mix a 10% dilution of “oakwood” by adding 1mil of “oakwood” and 9 mils of Pg and using this to only add a very small amount.
If the recipe says 0.01% “oakwood” you would add 0.10%. of the 10% dilution.
You could try 0.5% “ap” (2 drops) per 10 mils for a little extra or maybe a nut flavour and I would try it without the “bitter wizard”.
I’ve never tried juuls but the recipe would definitely benefit from a little cream. It will smooth any harsh edges in place of “bitter wizard”. Also add a bit more flavour.
(Fa) “Vanilla bourbon” would also work really well with the 2 tobacco flavours.
(Flv) “Smoked butterscotch” is one of my favourites with tobacco.
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Okay that’s noted, would you say butterscotch makes it taste like a dessert at all? I’m not a fan of butterscotch flavours in food but I don’t know if it makes the vape taste like butterscotch. That’s my biggest fear is that I’ll waste a batch since I avoid butterscotch, I’d more lean into a brown sugar flavour if I had to I’d say myself for juul as it doesn’t really taste sweet but it’s in the background in such a subtle way you can’t even really tell it’s there unless you’re looking for it. I have mixed a batch that’s a lot closer to the percent of oak that’s in the formula but I need to let that one steep now to see.
I only did about a 3% flavour instead on my new batch not 4% since it’s easier and cheaper to add the 1% than it is to dilute
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It adds a smokey almost light barbecue butterscotch/caramel like flavour that compliments tobacco really well. I suppose it is more dessert tobacco additive. You seem to be doing ok with your experimenting and as you keep making slight adjustments you will get it to exactly how you want it.
The reason I mentioned the 10% “oakwood” dilution is so you can mix 10 mil testers and then keep altering until it’s as you want it.
Makes more sense than mixing a larger volume like the recipe above which is a 10 mil one shot and not knowing what the changes you make taste like and wasting flavour and ingredients if it’s not how you want it.
Perhaps you could try and get a rda and mod because there perfect for testing and getting the full flavour.
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Yeah okay, smart, and I guess it’s easier to dial in, because I feel like I have lost the tobacco flavour forsure which I may switch to a concentrated version before ordering a tobacco absolute from the US. I’ll keep it in mind though if I add the cream flavours and it’s missing that sweetness since juuls not a dessert flavour I’d say but more of a background taste. The best way I can describe it is like Coca Cola, it’s so balanced that you don’t recognize any flavours it just tastes like bottle of coke.
I honestly wish juul would just make a vape juice and a refillable vape instead of disposable ones that are only .7-1ml because they are my favourite tobacco flavour by far. Honestly ina perfect world if they got into that market I wouldn’t even bother with a diy version but the worlds not so perfect.
I just find it funny they got sued and banned for flavours that appeal to kids and now a days that’s all you seem to find in the store is appealing flavours
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I’m actually ok in the UK for the moment that is. They tried to ban Dr pepper and fizzy drink and candy flavour but the main brand vape shops are full of dessert type flavours… you can get them all in concentrates anyway. I hope you get a tobacco flavour you are happy with it’s just make small testers and keep tweeking until you have it where you want it. I’ll follow the thread and if I can offer any future advice I will help.
Sounds like this juuls tobacco has got you into diy, which I think is really good.
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Yeah definitely, that and one store selling something so similar getting discontinued. I don’t think I’ll stop until I get something close enough atleast with Canadian supplies. I guess with everything going on in the UK that’s a plus atleast 
how is it over there anyways
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Ok until they start taxing nicotine in October. Been stocking up and storing in freezer but it’s ok for concentrates.
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Yeah that’s the same thing here, the excise tax is ridiculous, a 15$ bottle comes out to almost 45$ here, but luckily we have reserves that are basically tax free, it’s 55$ for a 120ml bottle of 5% nicotine which I can dilute to over 240ml for 2% nicotine which works out to a decent price atleast
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Tasting it again today it’s lost almost all its flavour, I suspect the bitter wizard which I was expecting would only mute the sweetness of anything so I went from 3% flavour to 5% flavour to test, but I think I’m going to have to rework the whole recipe. I’m going to try .5% AP, 1%oakwood, 1.5% VT 1%CT and then I may try 1% vanilla swirl. Get a 5% total flavour profile and see if that gives enough flavouring and hopefully match the profile close. I will need to order all that on my next pay though since I have a lot of bills hitting at once
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