It will be interesting to see how the Liquid Amber works out, if you can get really close to a clone it will be a monumental feat!
Appreciate all the work you are putting into this quest 
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Since you’re in canada, (now i know this isnt a direct answer to any of your questions but) have you considered giving any of the REKA/wrecka tobaccos a shot? You may find something you really like in them (& i believe they do an abdolute? I could be wrong?) Or you may end up trying one & thinking it could fit into what you’re working on? I forget the name of the site in canada that sells reka now, its diy something? Either ejuice or flavours i think?
Just thought id throw that out there.
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I looked up tobacco absolutes on both side and come up with no search results unfortunately so I’m left with regular options, I was going to try Inawera for an absolute and no bueno! But I’ll try and check for that today if I get a moment after work
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The day Canada post can read an address properly will be the day my package will arrive 
for some reason putting the address 1-111 street name is too hard to figure out. I have to put unit 1 111 street name 
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According to their guidelines, if you’re in unit 1, the top one is correct.
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/articles/addressing-guidelines/civic-address.page
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That’s what I thought but the customer service was saying other wise, luckily my package arrive and I added some liquid amber and hazelnut to my previous mixes so time to let it steep and see, hopefully it rounds off to something close to juuls top note, it’s looking promising
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Just incase anyone’s interested this one gave me the best result after steeping surprisingly to be the background notes of juuls virginia tobacco. I have two others that I’m going to be testing if the liquid amber works out well but this may be the closest I’ll be able to get
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Hi HGB - When you’re ready, love to see you post your final version?
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Will do! So far no luck! It’s been very challenging getting the correct flavor down and it’s cost a lot to try and work together something that gets close! The hardest part now is getting that top not which is beta-damascenone. The liquid amber uses beta damascone which is similar but it’s a totally different finish. After some steeping I know I’m going to have to be above 1% in liquid amber atleast and may almost have to introduce stand alone flavours but I may be missing the top note / first initial flavour entirely without pure damascenone or a flavour that uses that as its primary ingredient.
If anyone knows of a flavour that uses beta damascenone please let me know! If not then it’s going to have to be a pure chemical mix added in which isn’t DIY friendly
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FA Candy/Jammy Wizard uses Damascenone and Alpha Damascenone. Does that help?
What about FA Desert Ship? It has Damascenone and appears to be an additive for tobacco flavouring?
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Yeah that may help actually, looking into desert ship it may be a good missing link. Would be worth using at no more than .35% I’d say. But I’ll have to wait quite awhile before I can get any other flavours
Definitely would be worth trying the ingredients listed below from FA Soho down to FA Oakwood to test the batch on. Seems promising
JUUL VIRGINIA TOBACCO CLONE
MASTER CONCENTRATE (10g Batch)
FA Soho: 30.00% | 3.00 g
FLV Virginia Tobacco: 24.00% | 2.40 g
TFA Smooth: 12.00% | 1.20 g
FLV Native Tobacco: 9.00% | 0.90 g
FA Liquid Amber: 7.00% | 0.70 g
FA Desert Ship: 4.50% | 0.45 g
FA Oak Wood: 4.50% | 0.45 g
TFA Acetyl Pyrazine 5%: 4.00% | 0.40 g
FA Vanilla Bourbon: 3.00% | 0.30 g
FA Hazelnut: 1.80% | 0.18 g
FA Amber: 1.20% | 0.12 g
TFA Brown Sugar: 1.00% | 0.10 g
FINISHED 30g BOTTLE (3.30% Flavour Load)
Juul Master Concentrate: 3.30% | 0.99 g
50/50 Nicotine Base: 95.70% | 28.71 g
FINISHED LIQUID AROMA BREAKDOWN (At 3.30% Total Flavour Load)
FA Soho: 0.99%
FLV Virginia Tobacco: 0.79%
TFA Smooth: 0.40%
FLV Native Tobacco: 0.30%
FA Liquid Amber: 0.23%
FA Desert Ship: 0.15%
FA Oak Wood: 0.15%
TFA Acetyl Pyrazine 5%: 0.13%
FA Vanilla Bourbon: 0.10%
FA Hazelnut: 0.06%
FA Amber: 0.04%
TFA Brown Sugar: 0.03%
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I may have to put the tests aside for awhile, I’ve only had the one yield a close result but the top note which is the biggest flavour it needs I can’t replicate at all so far
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To any interested in testing my closest result and cross examining it to juuls virginia tobacco, this is the recipe, seemed to be about a 5 day steep that I noticed it was very close. Might be my high standards but if anyone can try a small bottle and see what ideas you may have I’d love to hear it! May need something to round it out a bit but see what you think first. Missing beta damascenone, I’m debating ordering the raw chemical just to complete this and call it a wrap but won’t be any time soon
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here is my final copy made into a recipe. I added 1.2% liquid amber over a series of a few tests and it does not help make it more like Juul and I ruined my whole batch. however this is what I would call my final variation.
saddens me to say this is probably going to be the end of my diy journey for the meantime. until I can find a good replacement for beta damascenone so people aren’t having to mix their own diluted beta damascenone. the Juul recipe shows it is used at 157 Part Per Million.
if anyone wants to test this recipe please let me know what you think!
if you mix a 10% diluted beta damascenone in PG(not to be confused with alpha damascone) I would try to add .52% of the 10% dilution to the finished mix and test it.
once I get enough money together to order it in, I will be testing it myself to see how close it tastes to Juul.
I have tried to balance everything to land within juuls flavour profile percents using the formula provided by @Rocky02852
I would also recommendadding Bavarian cream for some velvet vapour to texture the inhale and exhale and to also help blend all the flavours together but that is just an assumption
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Maybe try just making normal 10ml testers instead of making untested one-shots straight away? Making one-shots i think you should leave until you have a complete recipe you are happy with, it depletes your flavours much faster than you would making normal 5ml or 10ml testers as recipes, on top of that if you dont like it theres not really much you can do to save/salvage it, well there is but its a PITA altering one-shots then reverse engineering it again to figure out the actual %'s, because when you add to a finished one-shot it lowers the % of everything else.
I also understand you do need a very sensitive scale to be mixing 5/10ml testers when you’re using like 0.1% of flavours & it can also be a PITA.
Dont let it deter you from DIY though, just keep using your juul but still keep testing on the side, just mess around with some tobaccos, ignore following any charts/recipes/formulas etc & just go all out testing for what ‘you’ like specifically, test what %'s you prefer, start with a few of your tobaccos as single flavours (just 5ml testers at elr’s average %'s to start, increase/decrease as needed), then when you find the ones you like at whatever % you prefered use those %'s & your flavour notes to figure out which ones you think will work together then start experimenting with mixing them together, as i said before ignore trying to copy juul & while SFT’ing focus on what you like first, then where in the vape a flavour kicks in(inhale/mid/exhale) + wether its a top note/base note etc, then out of the ones you like mix a top note tobacco with a basey-mid tobacco (that together will also cover inhale-exhale) & just a simple 2 flavour recipe for a pod can give you a nice full,rich vape experience, mixing for pods is a different ball game especially if you’re trying to match high profile commercial products like juul using standard mainstream concentrates.
Also dont be affraid to push flavours if it is a pod you’re using, if you think somethings lacking flavour, ‘push’, you rarely get off notes/muting etc like you do with higher wattage devices/atties, i mean you still do sometimes depending on what you mix with it? But i find mixing for pods with these mainstream concentrates pushing really helps bring out more flavour (especially when trying to replicate commercial stuff).
i would imagine a company like juul have their flavours specially made at extremely high concentrate levels, im not sure about in the US but here in the uk theres a company that actually design super potent concentrates for whatever profile you like, so you would only need 1 flavour for the whole recipe, i know a couple people that were in the disposable & eliquid business & the one guy used these - https://specialingredients.co.uk - EDIT - (im almost sure it was this company, i could be wrong though the bookmark was on an old old phone, but again, from memory im almost sure it was special ingredient?). But anyway -
They made him some awesome concentrates, so i would bet there are companies that do this in other countries too? & a company like juul i cant imagine using mainstream concentrates?
(A lot of standard eliquid companies do use mainstream though so i could be wrong here too? I have never actually tried juul myself so…?) 2nd Edit - im pretty sure thats BS 
& i think i have actually tried juul, just not their tobacco (just FTR).
I do get it though when things dont quite go the way you’d hoped it does kinda kill the motivation to continue. Power through it & try a different approach, simplify things, as in dont make it serious/technical just mess around see what flavours you like & develop your own recipe from scratch, if you need any help/advice my inbox is open to anyone & if i can help i will. Honestly im not the person that should be giving advice on tobaccos & which ones are good/bad etc, but mixing in gemeral & developing recipes from scratch i can definitely help with.
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Hi All - I couldn’t resist a quick Google search today and found this:
"Beta-damascenone is a potent rose ketone compound that provides a rich, sweet scent profile of rose, apple, honey, and tobacco. [1]
Key Characteristics
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Aroma Profile: Sweet, floral, and fruity with deep notes of baked apple, rose, plum, and warm tobacco.
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Natural Occurrence: Found in rose oil, black tea, tobacco leaves, and various wine varieties.
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CAS Number: 23696-85-7
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Chemical Family: Rose ketones (norisoprenoids derived from carotenoid breakdown)."
What I immediately honed in on was the reference to rose oil - we have flavors for that in the flavor list. I know availability is the key issue for our Canuck freinds to the north, but I did not see a reference to this in this thread, so I sincerely hope this may help - Good Luck All.
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For me it’s more of a money thing, I’ve spent quite a bit in testing in 10ml bottles so once I ran out the f unflavoured I went back to my 10ml bottles and started tweaking them to see what would happen, just so happened my closest one I was pushing the liquid amber .25 at a time and once it hit 1% it was pretty nasty. I’ll probably buy a couple other tobaccos but for the beta damascenone which is what I need for clone specific flavour I don’t think any diy ones will bring it to taste the same as Juul. Although I may try a couple flavours recommended.
But as far as money goes I have a lot of bills now that I’ve bought a house so I will have to set it aside for awhile until I get a safety net built up. Luckily making my own juice will save me quite a bit of money however since I’m close to the native reserves and they don’t charge tax and have low prices (I can also get gas at the same time which is a double score)
However I’d say Juul tastes like that recipe provided, but it’s missing beta damascenone which I can’t seem to substitute.
[ Beta-damascenone is a powerful aroma chemical with a rich scent of rose, cooked apple, plum, berry, and tobacco.]
So I may need to find a plum type tobacco where that note is the very first flavour you taste in the inhale while not being over powered by off notes
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Ah yes, that’s exactly it, so I need that compound of flavour to add to the mix, I’ve seen some contenders which I may order once I have some free money kicking around, for me that flavour is the defining flavour of the Virginia tobacco which I haven’t had luck replicating with liquid amber since it’s a rose ketone however alpha damascone being different from damascenone causes a big change. Also liquid amber I’m sure uses other compounds which give it more of a musky, amber like quality, while also pushing a cider flavour. It’s too many compounds which is driving the clone further from the goal posts.
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Interesting so basically it’s a flavour extraction at that point yeah?
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