Let's Discuss Wire, What's Safe, What's Not!

Maybe you could look at RYO paper manufacturers MSDS sheets if they publish them?

CMJ

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What is RYO? Who knows, might helpā€¦

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Roll Your Own cigarette papers :grinning:

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Just for reference kanthal A-1 is an alloy containing about 20-25% chromium. So itā€™s not like a switch to nickel wire is necessarily going to be worse.

We really need long term data for this stuff. Iā€™m not sure thereā€™s enough data out there for anyone to be saying what is safest yet.

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Actually add Titanium and Stainless steel. Both contain Chromium. Remember though, when alloyed, composition changes. It appears the danger is in powders or fumes from say melting, grinding, etc. This is why welders need to be careful inhaling the fumes when welding SS. Also, they both contain nickel as well, but again, itā€™s an alloy ā€¦

Nickel wire, that is nearly pure nickel. In my opinion, nickel wire should be avoided. ā€¦

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I donā€™t believe titanium grade 1 (or 2) contains Crā€¦ Grade 1 and 2 are unalloyedā€¦ They do contain C and Fe, in small quantities, and a few othersā€¦

SS 316 contains 17% and 317L contains 18-20% Crā€¦

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Duh, youā€™re correct, itā€™s the old coming out again. I stand corrected. I have been looking at so much of this stuff lately it starts to blend. Itā€™s a damn shame there isnā€™t this much info available when applied to vaping. So much speculation without testingā€¦

Speaking of SS wire, ever seen a wire SS product with 1% nickel or less? Havenā€™t had time to look around but want toā€¦

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Correct a mundo

CMJ

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http://www.unkamensupplies.com/collections/stainless-steel-wire/nickel-free-square-stainless-steel-wire

This guy sells nickel free, but I donā€™t know if 430 grade is good for vaping. I canā€™t find anything on it, most people are using 316 or 317.

Found this in a welding doc:
ā€œAustenitic stainless steels include
the 200 and 300 series of which
type 304 is the most common. The
primary alloying additions are
chromium and nickel. Ferritic
stainless steels are non-hardenable
Fe-Cr alloys. Types 405, 409, 430,
422 and 446 are representative of
this group.ā€

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[quote=ā€œzigz, post:50, topic:31824ā€]I canā€™t find anything on it, most people are using 316 or 317.
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Here you go, I found quite a bit. Take a look everyone, whatā€™s your thoughts for vape use?

http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=996 - 430 Grade Stainless Steel

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I meant specifically in relation to vaping, but thatā€™s still a great link!

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Whatā€™s your thoughts, think 430 would work for us?

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It should vaporize your liquid without breaking or burning, but safety-wise I have no idea. :worried:

For some reason Uwell went with 316 for the crown SS coils. Other people seem to be using 304 or 317. I have no idea why. I wish I knew if one is better, worse, or if itā€™s all approximately the same risk.

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I have some 316 on order. Will be performing some tests with it as to my xCubeā€™s effectiveness in TC mode as well as dry burn test in wattage mode. Maybe Iā€™m kidding myself here but I feel you can learn a lot by purposely overheating some of these wires and observing the results.

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I would be interested in your results. Just do it outside for ventilation if your gonna overheat it. Be safeā€¦

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Chemistry Typical
Titanium Grade 1: Balance
Iron: 0.20 max
Oxygen: 0.18 max
Carbon: 0.08 max
Nitrogen: 0.03 max
Hydrogen: 0.015 max
Residuals each 0.10 max, total 0.40 max

If Chromium is here its less than .40%

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Just got my stuff mixed up, thanksā€¦

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0.1% max even :smile:

Looking at the Chemistry of Ti, there is no doubt in my mind itā€™s the safest resistance wire. Whether it is or not, I would still use it because it delivers the best flavor.

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Chemistry Typical
Titanium Grade 1: Balance
Iron: 0.20 max
Oxygen: 0.18 max
Carbon: 0.08 max
Nitrogen: 0.03 max
Hydrogen: 0.015 max
Residuals each 0.10 max, total 0.40 max

Ni200 Chemical Composition
Nickel (plus cobalt) ā€¦99.0 min.
Copperā€¦0.25 max.
Ironā€¦0.40 max.
Manganeseā€¦0.35 max.
Carbonā€¦0.15 max.
Silicon ā€¦0.35 max.
Sulfur ā€¦0.01 max.

Kanthal has up to 25% Chromium, but so many think itā€™s the safest. They are only mislead because it was the first wire used for vaping. Little do they know, from a health perspective Iā€™d say itā€™s the worst for you.

SS 316L has 16 to 18% Chromium. I never realized that either, but it wouldnā€™t deter me from using it because it delivers good flavor and a low resistance. Those are my main factors for choosing a wire.

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