Stainless steel cookware is considered to be another safe choice. This cookware gets its name because of its ability to resist corrosion. The surface of stainless steel does not flake, so pieces of the material do not break off and contaminate your food like with most non-stick cookware. Stainless steel is a combination of metals, including carbon, chromium, nickel and/or manganese. Because stainless steel contains a mix of these metals, some lower quality stainless steel cookware may discharge a small amount of nickel into your food from the steel. However, if you purchase high-quality cookware, like a Gunter Wilhelm set, these products contain a much smaller amount of cheap metal fillers like nickel. High-quality stainless steel is designed to make products resistant to leaching or reactivity. The outside layer of Gunter Wilhelm cookware is made from type 430 stainless steel. This kind of stainless steel material contains a minute amount of nickel (0.50 percent or less). So if you are a little wary about the nickel content in some stainless steel cookware, Gunter Wilhelm is a safe and healthy choice.
Hmmmmm, Stainless Steel Grade 430 is beginning to look more interesting. We now know it is used in cooking and the higher grade cooking ware I might add. I am beginning to think it might work out doing a little testing with grade 430 SS wire if we can find the correct gauge for our purposes…
I’m sure some will have reservations. As long as you keep your coils wet there will be no issues. I used it on vv/vw for months before I started using tc mods.
You’re probably right there. And that’s a big thing too I think, being cognizant of what’s being used. You know how it is though, maybe you’re drinking or watching a game, maybe you’re in a crowded room or plain old brain fart hits you. You can run dry like we all have. The problem here is how quickly this metal can (I won’t say it does emit bad stuff, I plain don’t really know) start to change appearance once it reaches a temp where it glows. Is that simple discoloration when it gets that chalky grayish tint or something else? It happens very fast and with not much glow either. So if the noticeable change in appearance is in fact a visible sign the metal is releasing or forming harmful substances, then it is vital the user make a conscious effort to keep the wick saturated and never run it dry in wattage mode. I don’t like what if’s, but until actual chemical tests can be done I think it’s just smart to be cautious and not overheat Titanium.
So far I do too! Flavor man, pure flavor. I have some stainless that should be arriving tomorrow and I want to give that a shot as well but so far I’ve had Kanthal, Nickel and Titanium, and Ti wins hands down. I’m using it exclusively right now and loving it!
Yes, agreed, and this is why I will be using Ti in TC mode only and not in wattage mode. No one wants a dry hit and we all try to avoid them, but, accidents happen. If it weren’t for TC I probably would be taking at least 2 or 3 dry hits a week because I use the rubber bands to try to protect the glass of the tanks and it does obstruct your vision. Now and then I don’t see how low the juice is and it would be dry hit city if I was not in TC mode…
People are just spooked. I’m telling you Tio2 is not the beast people make it out to be. After 35 years of exposure to it I know what’s on those coils ain’t shit. The propaganda machine has so many vapers thinking they’re gonna die from vaping. Sometimes I do know who’s worst, them or us.
What you think is going to happen… an explosion. If it was as bad as some make it sound there would be 100s of incidents by now. Your batteries are 100 times more dangerous then your coils. I guess it’s human to fear what you don’t understand. I say if you that paranoid than there’s three other wires out there. I have melted down Ti coils several times… intentionally even, just to see for myself. You should try it and maybe it will ease your paranoia.
Have seen the color of Nickel once it’s heated. Some even say it’s pretty. Ain’t that a load of bull. SS will turn damn near black. Ti get an ashy look.
These comments that being made will only keep vapers using the real terrible wires.
Any metal wire that overheats is bad for you… NOT JUST Ti.
I’m done defending Ti. I know all I need to know and I have tried to share it with the community. Vape whatever you like.
I agreed with pv. All this nonsense about wire from most ppl that smoked 1-3 pks a day. What ever your doing(within reason) it has to be better than smoking.
Actually there’s no need for you to defend Ti. I think we all pretty much agree that Ti is the better wire from the sound of things. I know I do. Personally I am just trying to learn what I can about wires available and possible dangers. I have no intention going back to kanthal but I will indeed be as informed as possible of the alternatives. This thread is not meant to debunk the use of Ti or SS. This thread is meant to learn & inform.
You may well be correct that there is absolutely nothing to worry about. The truth is with every toxin there is a acceptable daily tolerance limit. There’s a lot of ifs here, being everyone has to go by speculation rather than proven fact. May well be that yes, we are sucking down Titanium Dioxide, but not enough to be toxic. Maybe we are sucking down enough to kill a horse. May be that we are not being exposed at all. That is why we discuss, gather information, look at alternatives…
I think it would be a good idea to start looking at kanthal. It is my personal belief that there is as much or more to worry about with kanthal. Look at this from Wikipedia about kanthal…
For heating, resistance wire must be stable in air when hot. Kanthal FeCrAl alloy forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide (alumina).1 Aluminium oxide is an electrical insulator but has a relatively high thermal conductivity; special techniques may be required to make good electrical connections.
Aluminium has not been classified with respect to carcinogenicity; however, “aluminium production” has been classified as carcinogenic to humans by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) (for further explanation, please see Effects on Humans, Effects from Occupational Exposure, Cancer). Occupational limits exist in several countries for exposures to aluminium dust and aluminium oxide.
OK, now we can see that kanthal has it’s problems as well. So in conclusion we are not here to put down any type of wire or anyone’s opinion of a wire. So by all means be pro Ti, and tell us why! We want to hear it! That my friend is why were here…
Easy big fella. I’m not spooked or scared or condemning Ti or even suggesting people not use it. My only point was about the obvious change in the surface of the wire, not color, etc. It’s an unknown for people and honestly it doesn’t matter how long you work around a metal, until you are heating it and sucking air over it less than an inch from the coil, all the working with bulk product means diddly compared to that concentration of exposure. So take a chill pill, realize I’m not trying to cause unwarranted concern, and that I have applauded you for promoting this wire in the first place.
That’s true. But it doesn’t happen until overheated. And since it’s not just a change in color but also in texture, and until I know what’s in that residue apart from what the scaremongers are telling us, I simply won’t overheat my Ti wire.
Again, I’m not worried because I feel confident how I’m using it is completely safe. If I’ve said anything that remotely sound like Ti should be avoided, point it out and I will gladly edit the post as that was never my intention. Healthy discussion tho, that should be encouraged.
Wonderful. This is the kind of thing we need and it’s encouraging someone with a mastery of material science (I knew there was a specialty, and now that’s it!) is going to do studies. That’s all I need to see.
So, going with what was said in that article about the wire remaining “shiny”, take a gander and my test results from yesterday.
It wasn’t until the 40F dry burn that the change in appearance started moving more toward texture differences. It’s obviously less shiny. But then again, I’m wondering if that was a lack of focus of my camera. I’ll use my Nikon on my next tests.
This has me feeling like in wattage mode, if the shiny surface of the wire indicates adhesion of the titanium dioxide then chances are it’s safe to use under normal vaping conditions. I will redo this test to include some higher wattages just to try and discover at what wattage under dry hit conditions the shininess becomes less.
The fact of the matter is dry hits happen. When it occurs you get a burnt cotton hit, not a burnt metal hit. Dry hits are the same no matter what wire is being used. That dry burnt cotton taste will make you reflex and exhale long before the wire glow red.
I can literally ‘feel’ for a dry hit in my mouth, as I have had it happen so many times, I know what the immediate flavor tastes like when the burning takes place. As you said, I exhale long before I would even be at the point of a normal lung hit for me.
I used to clean and pulse my Ti before I wicked it up and I would get slight discoloration to the wire itself. Never used to get any weird break-in tastes either. Since then, I have stopped pulsing it and have just been cleaning it and wicking up my builds. I do get a break-in period now. It normally takes about 10 nice hits before the taste goes away and I get my nice clean flavor again.
Exactly! There’s no point in pushing people one way or another…educate them sure…but I don’t bother trying to change what people do. At the end of the day, do what you like and use what you like! Otherwise it is just a waste of air and time beating this dead horse over and over…
Hopefully we can all move on now…
People want to be told that anything outside of oxygen is GOOD for you and this will never be the case…with anything that you inhale outside of fresh air
Actually there was one test I was reading that said that the exhale of the ECig as near the same as air. A few of the tests came back with air having more pollutants. Guess people need to rethink that, we are purifying the air…lol
