Sucralose sweetens differently than Erythritol or stevia it tends to sit on “top” of a mix where as Erythritol and stevia sweeten the mix from "within"
That is the best way i can describe it…
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I’ve heard that sucralose is one of the few mediums that can effectively deliver/carry malic acid to your palate.
Does anyone currently have both blue raspberry concentrates from OSDIY & OOO? Can anyone make an unscientific confirmation that they are the same (smell, taste, consistency, SG)?
Could it just be coincidence that both OSDIY and LB’s blue raspberry are both 76% VG? Too coincidental?
I am sure I read somewhere that the popular Blue raspberry slush drink is basically black raspberry flavouring?
RF Have a very good Black Raspberry.
I tried smelling both of them to see if they are in fact the same. To me the blue raspberry candy has a very “alcohol” like aroma problem is though that the ooo blue razz is in a much bigger bottle so the difference i am smelling may just be a result of the larger bottle
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If it is its got a lot of other stuff cause mine tastes nothing like it.
Bumper cars… no feedback?
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Lemme see here… Just got blue raspberry from DIYFS and it smells great. Still sticking with NicVape as my favorite until I test it after steeping.
Raspberry, FA- I need to play with this more, but I believe there may be better raspberries for adding tartness (such as TFA sweet raspberry).
Blood orange, green apple, juicy lemon- Theae are all great to add the sour flavor, but I might reduce it down to just one good lemon. And be easy with that lemon. I recently vaped something lemon and followed it with forest fruit, and it helped the blue raspberry profile…
Forest mix, FA- Which bring me to the forest fruit. I very often get blue raspberry from this, so good choice on putting it in there. Perhaps looking into which berries it is made up of while help further the complete blue raspberry profile we are after.
Raspberry (Sweet), TFA- This is a nice, tart raspberry, perfect for the profile. Some don’t like it but after trying many, I still come back to this as a favorite.
Sour- I have played with acids quite a bit and it seems they don’t have the intended effect. I could be very wrong on this, however, so take this part lightly. I heard that for acids to reach your palate, you need a sweetener to use as a carrier.
Super Sweet- This is your sweetener. Have you found that it helps carry the malic acid into something you perceive? I have strayed from using this one, however as it contains Sodium Benzoate, unsure on how safe that stuff is… Still want to look deeper as I DO want to use it, I hear it is brighter than TFA sweetener (plus it has no maltol).
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This is totally it for me as well! This is a flavor i love and planed to work with, but a noob is no help to you - sorry. I plan on following this thread in hopes it will go somewhere and we find a charms blow pop!!
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Wow thank you so much for the breakdown and your thoughts. I’m waiting on some WF blue raspberry to get here that I’m excited to try.
I don’t usually use sweeteners, but I too have heard that sweetener helps deliver malic/citrus to the palate, thus their inclusion. Not too mention the only thing the junk food industry loves more than malic/citric tart acids is sugar. I’m just going to piggyback on decades or their flavorists findings and probably millions of dollars of research and trust my gut that the two go together in this example. I lean towards super sweet just because it tastes the cleanest to me.
I included the green apple because or their sweet/tart nature and I’m assuming the already present malic acid. (I don’t know this, just a hunch)
I included for forest fruit for pretty much the same reasons as the green apple. I think you may be right about too much acidity in the profile overall. I know often times less is more, but I want this flavor ELECTRIC. I can always dial back and sub/swap/drop as needed.
To be honest my choices in raspberry were just as much about capturing an artificial candy note as much as raspberry itself. However, I’m not against dropping the raspberry down a bit and using some jelly candy or something similar to capture that same essence.
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Can you pleased tell me what this is? I have searched and cant seem to find it
You can find them here:
As far as I can tell, they’re not being sold by any other vendor. Although, I’d love for them to be picked up by some of the big guys like BCF, ECX, or Gremlin.
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Uh-oh, another new place 
ty you jojo, I kept pulling up the nicotine place.
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Hahaha yep, always something new. 
They sent me the line as a thanks for getting their thread here and their flavors in the database sorted. I have some notes written up if you wanna look. If you’re into cereal vapes at all, the honey crisp and tootie frootie are spot on honey bunches of oats and Fruit Loops IMO. They have some other surprisingly great flavors, too.
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awesome thanks! I was just wondering what else was good, because all i needed was the blue raspberry. Ill grab a few you liked as well, ty
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This was interesting if you haven’t seen it yet…
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I figured I’d drop a quick little update… I haven’t made the progress that I would’ve liked due to severe time restraints. However, I did get around to doing basic smell and drop tests on both RF Blue Raz & WF Sour Blue Raspberry candy.
RF: Astringent raspberry-esqe odor bordering on acidic rancidness. Very reminiscent of being somewhere between a INA Raspberry & TFA Blackberry. Drop test offered up a surprisingly pleasant tart raspberry. Very dark, almost earthy or what I perceived as musky. Slight floral, more soapy back-notes which is to be expected from strong concentrates (side note, I get soap from almost all things blueberry, so I could be picking up on that as well as RF cites blueberry in their profile). Definately has some potential from what seems to be a wonderfully captured tart element if nothing else.
WF: At first, I thought the odor was very linear or one dimentional. I got a soft but pleasant raspberry on top with an almost flat citrus soda or even a hint of orange juice concentrate (the frozen stuff that came in tubes our parents fed us when we were kids) notes on the bottom. But first impressions aren’t always right…
I followed up with the drop test and WOW! Very nice tart element up front follwed by a rush of sweet with a candied raspberry finish. Phenomenally well balanced. Very hard to pick any single element out as it transitions from one vein into the next almost seamlessly. There was a familiarity to it, something I was missing that I couldn’t put my finger on. I kept coming back to it several times and finally it hit me. The “missing element”, or what I perceived it to be or eqated it to was CAP’s Jelly Candy. I don’t know if that’s subliminal due to the illustrations they use of the jelly candies covered in little hard candy spheres or not, but that’s what I got from it. Smelling it again confirmed the jelly candy aspect for me. What I had originally interpreted as a very soft linear & one dimensional odor was actually the jelly candy on top. I don’t know if jelly candy has emulsifying properties or not, but I suspect this is what what is rounding off the sharp edges allowing the smooth transition from one element to the next without any single one standing out above the rest. This one is a definite contender for my new favorite. I can’t wait to mix it up and try it out properly!
With the holidays and my already chaotic schedule, I don’t know when I’ll be able to work on this project again but I’ll be watching for everyone’s input and collaboration.
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