Medicine Flower Tasting Notes

I think the cream FLV will do just fine

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Thank you! Maybe a happy screw up (fingers crossed)

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Your welcome Dont second guess yourselfā€¦lol

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LOL I am the absolute worst about that

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If Iā€™m trying to match a percentage based on grams, like if I over-pour and want to fix the recipe to reflect whatā€™s going to be in the bottleā€¦I just nudge the percentage, scroll down and read the grams at the bottom of the recipe until it matches what I poured. I hope that makes sense!

The grams move in synch with the percent live without needing to save or refresh. So, you should be able to preserve what happened for repeatability.

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Itā€™s all fairly simple maths reallyā€¦

So to calculate back into percentagesā€¦ 100%/3.4%=29.4

meaning: your 100% one shot concentrate is diluted in a recipe to 1/29.4 or at used at a strength of 3.4%

Your one shot is
Dark Chocolate (MF) 11.73%
Sweet Cream (Flavorah) 29.4%
Vienna Cream (FA) 58.8%

So your original recipe should be 1/29.4 of that strength
Dark Chocolate (MF) 0.4%
Sweet Cream (Flavorah) 1%
Vienna Cream (FA) 2%

BUT
You split up the 8.82g Vienna from the one shot into 6.75g Vienna and 2.07 Cream (Flavorah)
Then the Vienna Cream (FA) is 2% / 8.82g * 6.75g = 1.53%
And the Cream (Flavorah) is 2% / 8.82g * 2.07g = 0.47%

I hope you understand the reasoning, Iā€™m not the best in explaining things :smiley:

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Issue with that and ultrasā€¦ one tiny .02g can blow everything out and yeahā€¦
one more drop can change the outcome of your recipeā€¦ its the reason why ultras are ultrasā€¦ :slight_smile:

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@Plunderdrum gave the correct advise too. If you donā€™t have a lot of concentrate left, start mixing with that. Not enough in the bottle, adjust the amount to make so the rest of the recipe is adjusted in real time.
Obviously this wonā€™t work if you donā€™t have enough concentrate for different flavors. If thatā€™s the case, restock before you start mixing or risk that you end up with a mess you may not find a way out of.

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I donā€™t know why I didnā€™t think about what I was doing here before I started making that flavor concentrate. Brain fart is the only excuse I have.

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It also wouldnā€™t let me save that to do a 15 ml concentrate something about the % had to be above something ā€¦ I bet I pay attention better the next time I try to mix this LOL

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Maybe Iā€™m too much of a geek but I usually play around with stuff like the one shot calculator to see what it can or cannot do before I bring out the scaleā€¦
Iā€™ve had it too that I thought I had more concentrate than I actually had, but adjusting the total volume of one shot saved the day. But really do start with the concentrate you have the least of. I do not recommend untested substitutions in one shot creations, although Iā€™m sure in this case itā€™ll work out fine.

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My suggestion is just for saving a version of the mistake recipe in case it turns out good :slight_smile: Iā€™d keep a copy of the original intended %s, usually in the notes so I donā€™t have to adapt.

Also, @authormichellehughes, I failed to notice you were making a one shot! I was speaking(writing) in terms of standard recipe mode. I donā€™t know if the one shot calc does the same thing. Looks like @anon28032772 had the answer :slight_smile:

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I needed to tame down that MF Suomyona, and I agree normally I wouldnā€™t do that either. After flavor testing at 6 drops in 10 mls though I still tasted the flavor after brushing my teeth and drinking a cup of black coffee LOL. The alcohol burn was a little intense.

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Yeah, thereā€™s definitely no shake and vape with MF or NF in my opinion. :rofl:
Typically a minimum of ~3 weeks.

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Ya too many cahnges in the first couple weeks imo

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I donā€™t think there is alcohol in the DC. I could be wrong, though, as they are a touch vague in their description, and previous assumptions have been wrong, ie. the fact that the is PG in all of their flavors but no mention of it on their site or bottles!

Technical Information:
"Our flavors are obtained through a proprietary technology conducted at temperatures below 118 degrees F. This process comprises a multi-stage extraction encompassing initial desiccation, lyophilization, and CO2 extraction.

Ingredient: genuine flavor extract*
*Apricot, Bergamot, White Cherry, Pink Grapefruit, Lemon, Lime, Mandarin, Orange and Rum flavors require additional alcohol extraction and may contain up to 5% residual grain alcohol."

Iā€™d have to request a MSD sheet to know, really, but I donā€™t get the alcohol bite you do on unsteeped DC.

Could it just be bitter? Not doubting your experience, but I donā€™t taste the alcohol.

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It could very well be the chocolate itself. I noticed the same thing in Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch it has a strong alcohol taste but thereā€™s no alcohol.

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Someone shared the PDF of this earlier (sorry for the long note here)

Medicine Flower LLC PO Box 777 Glide Oregon 97443

Dark Chocolate Flavor Extract (Theobroma cacao) Material Safety Data Sheet

  1. Identification: Commercial name: Dark Chocolate Flavor Extract Botanical Nomenclature: Theobroma cacao INCI name: Theobroma cacao Flavor Extract CAS number: na EINECS CAS number: na EEC Number: na 2. Composition: Extract from Co2, Natural Flavor Additives (e.g. carriers, preservatives, antioxidants): PG 3. Potential Health Hazards: Inhalation: Not harmful Skin: Not harmful Eyes: Rinse thoroughly with running water Ingestion: Not harmful 4. First aid: Inhalation: na Skin: na Eyes: Rinse thoroughly with running water Ingestion: Seek medical advice 5. In case of fire: Extinguishing Media: CO2, foam extinguishers, etc. Do not use: Water. Special precautions: na. 6. Spill and Leak Procedure: Individual precautions: na. Environmental protection: na. Cleaning methods: Soak up the spill using inert absorbents. 7. Handling and storage: Store in a cool, dry and dark place in suitable containers (PVC, aluminum cans or lacquer lined steel drums). 8. Personal Protection / Exposure control: Respiratory protection: na Skin protection: na Eye protection: eye glasses General precautions: Use good industrial hygiene practice. 9. Physiochemical properties: Appearance: Dark transparent liquid Odour: Typical pH: Neutral Boiling point: na Flash point: 94c-201F Autoingnition Temperature: na Explosion Limits: na Vapour pressure (25ĀŗC): na Vapour Density: >1 (air=1) Solubility in water (20Āŗ): Negligible Partition Coefficient log P o/w: Not available Evaporation rate: <1 (Butyl Acetate=1) 10. Stability and Reactivity:
    Chemical Stability: Stable. Conditions to avoid: Normally stable. Not reactive with water. Hazardous Decomposition Products: Not available. 11. Toxicological Information: According to RIFM- Monograph: not available Acute Toxicity: not available Dermal LD50: not available Irritation: not available Sensitization: No sensitization reactions observed Phototoxicity: No phototoxic reactions observed. 12. Sensitisers: Nil 13. Ecotoxicological information: Fish Toxicity: LCO/EC50: Not available. Bacteriotocity: ECO/EC50: Not available. 14. Disposal Method: State and Local Regulations. 15. Transport Information: Non-hazardous material transport in suitable containers. 16. Regulatory Information
    USA BBC
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I am glad i found this thread. I have been intrigued by MF, but never pulled the plug. I am a new-ish mixer (5 months). I am think I may put in an order now for a couple of flavorings.

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@MFKNSuzie if you are looking from some STRONG and accurate flavors, look no further. You DO have to keep in mind that they need to be mixed MUCH lower than most other flavors, AND, you want to let them steep, sometimes a month or so.

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