Might want to read this


If this it true …

The DEA says carfentanil is 10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times stronger than fentanyl.

That’s not going to end well.


not it isnt… and I have never heard of this, yet they say it came from China via the east coast :cry:


Nothing new about Carfentanil (sometimes improperly spelled Carfentanyl) at all. It replaced Etorphine a few years ago as the item of choice to drop Elephants. It has killed (probably, it looks like) in excess of 1,000 people in the US and UK (and possibly EU - verification not found) over the last few years (since ~2016).

M.P.C. (2016): Carfentanil Alert

W.H.O. (2017): “CARFENTANIL Critical Review Report Agenda Item 4.8

E.M.C.D.D.A. (2018): Carfentanil

A Series of Deaths Involving Carfentanil in the UK and Associated Post-mortem Blood Concentrations

Human deaths from drug overdoses with carfentanyl involvement - new rising problem in forensic medicine

(2018): “Postmortem Toxicology of New Synthetic Opioids

Wikipedia: Carfentanil

The Utterly Deceptive, Unreliable, and Demonstrably Fraudulent CDC (2018):
Notes from the Field: Overdose Deaths with Carfentanil and Other Fentanyl Analogs Detected - 10 States, July 2016 - June 2017


It has been claimed that some minute amount of it was identified in the contents of a discarded syringe. It is not easy (or necessarily very reliable) to test for Carfentanil (and differentiate its molecular structure from Fentanyl and a number of very closely related analogs). Likely because not very much of it (not to say none whatsoever) has been identified in the Seattle area, KOMO TV News (a very lame and politically biased and conglomerate controlled organization) is hoping to generate unwarranted panic (clicks, ad-revenues,hoped-for praise). That is not very hard to accomplish these days at all - when very few people appear to analyze or scrutinize subjects of media content - instead simply repeating whatever (alleged) information accosts their senses in any manner from any source. Note: this is exactly how CDC manages to deceive the public.


Well shit, that’s EXACTLY what we need right now !!!

Still shaking my head. Feel free to correct me, but, ummmm, I thought the “Business Model” was make it just strong enough to hook’m, then keep’m on the hook, and bingo, long time customers, right ?

If you loose most of your customers, AS first time customers, ummm …


doffs tinfoil hat
Seriously though: if the stuff is coming from Chinese sources, could this potentially be a form of sabotage? Since the gov’t there has been getting a LOT of exposure vis a vie their handling of Hong Kong? Or is this just simply greed pushed a little too far?

removes tinfoil hat and hands it to the room


Wait! Kids are dying from carfentanil?
They should ban cinnamon!!
Because kids like ice cream.


Instead, “they” are going to ban vaping - based upon DEA anecdotes of Fentanyl(s) appearing in e-juices.

One recent example of “the press” hanging onto every one of any DEA officials’ words (true, or not true):
Brian Besser, the district agent in charge for the DEA in Utah. … Besser read an alarming DEA intelligence report stating fentanyl had been found in unregulated vape cartridges in other areas of the nation. While there haven’t been any reported cases of this in Utah, Besser said it’s only a matter of time. This is extremely concerning, Besser said. “We are starting to see fentanyl make its way into the vaping industry, and we see that we are definitely going to see the death counts go up,” he said.

For somewhat less brainless (than Fox TV) thoughts, read Dr Jeffrey Singer of the Cato Institute here.


(Self-reported) data relating to inhalation of (what respondents believed to be) Fentanyl (as well as Heroin) may not be something particularly new - although the occurrence of illicit suppliers covertly slipping Fentanyl into otherwise described products may be a more recent phenomenon:

The commonest recreational drug to have been vaped was cannabis with 155 (65.7%) reporting lifetime use and 91 (38.6%) reporting use within the last 30 days. Lifetime use was also high for vaping MDMA (ecstasy) (101, 42.8%), cocaine powder (94, 39.8%), mephedrone (73, 30.9%), crack cocaine (72, 30.5%), synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists (67, 28.4%), fentanyl (63, 26.7%), heroin (61, 25.8%), alpha-PVP (alpha-pyrrolidinopentiophenone)(61, 25.8%), typtamines (60, 25.4%), NBOMe (2, 5-dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine) (59, 25%) and ketamine (58, 24.6%). GHB (Gamma Hydroxy-butyrate) (1, 0.4%), Magic Mushrooms (1, 0.4%), Solvents (1, 0.4%) and LSD (Lysergic acid diethyl-amide) (1, 0.4%) were self-reported via free text entry to have been vaped by individual respondents.
(Sep 14, 2017): “A cloud on the horizon - a survey into the use of electronic vaping devices for recreational drug and new psychoactive substance (NPS) administration


All of the Fentanyl(s) preceded the Hong Kong demonstrations. It appears that China may well be a major source. Something like Carfentanil is so extremely potent that it is not only extremely hard and dangerous to deal with in the course of preparing for distribution, it also has to be extremely dangerous to manufacture.

But Big Orange Daddy would not want to interfere with his daughter receiving more TradeMarks in China:
The Guardian (Oct 4, 2019): “Trump promised China US silence on Hong Kong protests during trade talks


Shit, when I was a teenager we could only get horse tranquilizers.


Why are so many Americans addicted to painkillers anyway? Doctors aren’t supposed to make addicts from their patients (unless they’re terminal perhaps). I remember it already being regulated heavily in the 80’s here.


It was over-prescribed, used long term by patients that required it for their chronic pain, or people just made bad choices if not getting through legal means. I don’t think anyone went into taking those medications with a clear understanding of the withdrawal symptoms after continued use.

Also, money money money.


I think they have a very complicated sanitary system…


Great question @anon28032772. At first I was just going to slam people for abusing, but in reflection, I think equally responsible are the pharma/doctors like @Silhouette said.


I believe when it was first marketed OXY was touted as not being addictive


That is it exactly sir.

As a recovering addict with 5+ yrs clean (this time and for the rest of time) I have a lot to say on this subject but will limit it to this;

I fell 23 feet, face first, onto a concrete slab and busted my body pretty bad. While in the Hospital I was given morphine injections every 6 min. Not one health profesional told me the dangers. Oh, I thought I knew the dangers but I did not. Needless to say, I came out of the hospital an addict, though I didn’t know that at the time. There is more to the story (maybe I’ll tell it in a vlog) but moving ahead a year and I wanted to stop taking the pills (I was prescribed pain meds after the hospital). My therapy was done and no more surgeries. I called the DR’s office and told them I was an addict and that I would like for them to STOP filling my scripts. Do you think they did? NO, NO THEY DID NOT. I did that for several more months, telling them to stop filling my scripts but they wouldn’t. Finally I flushed them and that was the beginning of my struggle.

The Doctors. They look down on us (addicts) and THEY are the ones that created this whole mess. Them and big Pharma and just like @Silhouette stated… :musical_note: money, money, money :notes:


And you know what’s really nasty about the whole thing?

The treatment medication is far more expensive, and a bazillion times harder to stop. Think 30-60 days of withdrawal instead of 7-10. Also, they still take in money based on your problem.