Very interested in people thoughts , ideas and philosophy on mixing. Some questions i ponder myself are:
If a flavor fades did you use to much or too little?
If a flavor fades will supporting flavors stop it from doing so?
Should percentages of fruits be increased when combined with creams?
Would combining two already steeped juices yield a different result then if mixed at identical %s together at the start?
Very interested in people thoughts , ideas and philosophy on mixing. Some questions i ponder myself are:
If 1 or 2 people has an issue then it might be a individual problem. When several are having this problem I think it’s with the flavor itself. If a flavor is known to contain PDO there may not be a solution for the fading issue because several users has stated PDO does fade flavors over time. I have a unopened gallon of PDO and never tried it. By the time it arrived, the reviews were out about it’s flavor fading issues.
This is really beyond me. If you can find what’s causing it to fade, then maybe you can fix it. I’ve come to accept if it’s bad, then it’s just bad and move on. Find something that works for you.
This all depends on the type of fruit and vendor IMO. If you know your flavors, then you should know how they react when mixed with certain flavors or enhancers. I really don’t think there is a solid rule on how to adjust a mix before you mix it without knowing your flavors.
Never tried and I don’t have clue. I have mixed recipes in my tank but I’ve never mixed 2 different recipes in the same bottle.
I have no answers for your questions, but fading in general is something I address by batch size and consumption. To me snv FA Pear is phenomenal, but it’s complex nuances begin fading immediately. I try to mix it as SnV.
I also mix specifically for my mod/atty/build. My pwm setups hit so insanely hard they need the nic and flavor at about half a normal TC setup. Typically I’ll just water down a mix if I it was designed on a TC DNA setup.
I also mix most things at zero and then add nic for a given setup.
I also tend to avoid mixes that undergo big changes during steeping. I don’t like custards anyway. The exception is strawnana, where the banana magically masks the nastiness of VC1.
That’s my philosophy in a nutshell. Mixing is a unique journey. Experiment with what interests you and you will find your bliss. The most important thing is to never stop experimenting IMHO.
I’m very novice at this and would read my posts with that in consideration. I agree with this philosophy. I look at e-juice as akin to cooking food. Some mixes fade in a good way. Takes time for them to “age”. Some don’t have a long shelf life without loosing the flavor I like. I mix and consume accordingly. As far as percentages, I am simply in the mode of tweaking. In regard to mixing two flavors. If I stumble across something that tastes great from changing flavors in an atty, I’ll peruse that as a new mix.
Short answer to all 4 is “Depends” But for pairings: Check this
Which brings me to my philosophy – just do things. I just don’t have the specific curiosity or patience to test complex questions beyond “mix a ml or two and see what happens, write down the ratios and results” I mix by volume, often just filling straight into a 3ml syringe when testing new tastes. But to be fair – I really, really love a handful of specific single flavours and don’t do much multis work. Lychee with some vanilla and creame is amazeballs tho.
Also, my fav ways to find flavours, I’m with Walt3 – first notice when swapping flavours tastes great. Second, say I have a 3ml tank – vape 2 ml of it or so, then add a couplafew drops of another flavour and see what happens. You won’t get the best mix obviously, but you’ll get an idea if it’s worth pursuing.
Pro_Vapes: “This all depends on the type of fruit and vendor IMO. If you know your flavors, then you should know how they react when mixed with certain flavors or enhancers. I really don’t think there is a solid rule on how to adjust a mix before you mix it without knowing your flavors.”
So by this philosophy we should not experiment? Just curious.
And if you mix 2 recipes in one bottle, would it not just be one recipe?
Sounds right to me. I’m sure a world class chef can determine that his recipe would be better with two dashes of unobtainable juice, but I’m not a world class chef. Even then, both of us are experimenting. Make it, taste it, change it, taste it, and at some point say “good enough”.
This is something that’s learned overtime. You can test flavors individually, but for me, mixing certain flavors together may give a different flavor aspect from your single flavor mix… such as flavor bases and stones.
I really can’t elaborate more here since I haven’t tried it. I can speculate, but I like replying from experience.
The question is will seperate steeps then mixed together yield a different result than if all ingredients were steeped in one bottle. Think dunkaroos. If i mix one bottle of the cookie, then seperate bottle for the icing then combine them after 4 weeks, would it differ from the mix where all ingredients were combined from the start?
I’m sorry I couldn’t resist posting this:
Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally “love of wisdom”) is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
My mixing philosophy is pretty simple. Since I started mixing (my reason was being a cheap ass and not wanting to give money to the guy down the street anymore) my values and mind became completely absorbed in learning as much as I could. It actually became quite all consuming for a while as I was looking for the “perfect” vape.
Though I have not tried this I think it would make a big difference, UNLESS, you re-steep the mix. When all flavors are together and steeping together then all flavors have a chance to meld. Mixing 2 pre-steeped flavors does not mean the 2 have melded. It would require more steeping then…
Can’t believe no one mentioned this. If you are talking about single flavor blends fading in flavor then your problem could be the flavor itself. Most flavors contain Maltol, nearly the same thing as Ethyl Maltol. Both of these substances are known to fade flavors. Some flavors have entirely too much Maltol and this causes a problem. Now for your question, if you use too little, it will be weak but flavor should not fade because you used too little (UNLESS, SEE ABOVE), However, in a multi flavor mix it could be overpowered easily if too weak. Too much flavor, a lot of people think it is true that this fades flavors. I personally feels it kills your taste buds and mimics fading flavor…Look up Vapor Tongue…
No, if there is a flavor that is actually fading the mix’s flavor, it will fade all the flavors in the mix…
I think a lot would depend on how much cream you use. Also some fruit flavors are stronger than others. Truth be told, those of us who have been blending for a while probably do use more fruit with creams. We just don’t pay too much attention to it and do it automatically…
This is sound advice and this statement can help you answer the fruit and creams question. When you know your flavors, your percentages of this and that become pretty much automatic…
Hope this helped a bit…
Yes it does… in my experience… especially with fruits and creams… I enjoy mixing StandAlones …allowing them to steep, and then blending them together… One example is a flavor that is a favorite of mine FA Forest Fruit…Mixed as a StandAlone, it steeps differently than if it is mixed with other Flavors… Say I do a mix of Forest Fruit with Cream Fresh in a bottle together and steep… then do a mix of Forest Fruit on its’ own and a mix of Cream Fresh on its’ own and steep them separately and blend AFTER steeping…the flavor profiles of each vape are different…I have found that I get a more pronounced Forest Fruit flavor with the mix that was made with the steeped StandAlone flavors that are combined afterwards…and the CreamFresh that intermingles and compliments this mix…It makes (for me) a more complex vape than the mix that was steeped with both flavors together…The mix with the 2 flavors steeped together has a more homogenized and less dynamic flavor profile…not as much interesting going on with it as there is with the 2 flavors that were independently steeped, then blended…Experimentation is the key…and sometimes I just throw caution to the wind and play around with that idea that you mentioned…
So far (in my lowly year long+ journey) I can affirm this. I have toyed with this idea/approach a few times since it was last brought up (maybe 6-8 months ago). What I found was that mixing two fully steeped flavors into one container/sampling yielded a kind of “hot spot” situation.
What I mean by that is, you’d get little “bright shining moments” of a certain flavor taking the lead, and depending on how many flavors were mixed, they would “shine” at varying intervals.
For me, I have a single complex recipe from a friend, which I can replicate a similar experience by ramping the power up or down (different flavors shine through at different power settings). Although this is done using a single, fully homogenized liquid, where all flavors were added simultaneously.
The experience is similar, but notably different.
Agree, and it makes for a very interesting vape…Very enjoyable…The cool thing with this kind of mixing is that I will mix a Cream flavor and let it steep for a week to 10 days BEFORE mixing my Fruits…Mix my Fruit independently…then let them both steep (in their separate bottles) another 10 days or so (how ever long the fruit needs)…then blend them together…thereby getting a mix with the Cream that has fully blossomed AND the Fruit which is reaching its’ prime…For me, it is just another fun exploration into something different…
this is exactly what i find every time i mix 2 already steeped mixes … a very enjoyable and different result - i’m vaping one of these mixes right now so wanted to come back and confirm this thought. i do think it’s a thing we can exploit further - maybe the juice makers are already doing it in some premium juices.
in my mind, i keep relating this to cooking. i’m trying to understand how VG - and the curing process - really works. if i’m making (real) creamy vanilla custard with banana slices on top, i would start by preparing the custard. milk is the main ingredient (so like the VG in eliquid), I add the custard powder, sugar, maybe a hint of vanilla and apply heat and stirring - then cool the resulting product - that’s the base custard. then prepare whatever cream I decide to use - that’s again milk based - with a different ingredients, fast forward … i have my cream. add the cream on top of the v custard, then slice the banana and add on top… this won’t be the same product if i mix all the ingredients together and apply the heat and stirring in the beginning… (can’t even imagine what i would end up with in that case )
so for my brain, it makes a lot of sense that VG will combine differently in each mix with the different flavors added and with steeping/curing, then adding 2 or 3 of these mixes together, there’s a totally different end product.
you guys think am i correct in that analogy, or am i just over engineering (cooking) this
I think there is some truth to your analogy,I look at it in a little simpler way, I have separate bottles of “vape ready” steeped juice that can then be combined…Since these will be vaped right after combining, the flavors mixed will not have a lot of time to meld together as one mixture… Rather… they will maintain more of their own flavor properties even in their combined state…with a certain amount of blending…but not to the extent of a mixture where all flavors are blended from the start, and then left to steep together… So, the resultant vape will show more variety in taste notes as I increase or decrease my wattage during my vape session…and sometimes when I don’t change wattages during my vape session. And with some amount of combined flavor taste, as well…and the variety is what makes the vape interesting for me…Also, as the blend does age, the taste will change as well… Sweet notes…Sour notes…Cream notes…Freshness and Blossom …all popping up now and then etc They will all be dancing on the tongue at varying degrees and at varying times…
I agree here. I feel that by steeping an E liquid the VG undergoes a level of saturation. The fully steeped E liquid is less likely to take on other aspects of another fully saturated E Liquid. I have even wondered if muting is a result of a super saturation of the liquid the same way seperation of the E liquid and concentrates can occur when you have used wayyy to much flavoring. Certain flavoring i have noticed become immiscible at to high of a %
All about right proportion. 60/40 is rare these days.
Most of these are 70VG. I’d suggest getting a good 50/50 custard flavor as your base and adding something like Granola Honey to it. Might work well. Also, I store my DIY e-liquid in nice plastic bottles, which provide safety and good storage abilities.
If you want the best protection for your flavoring, you’ll switch to glass. Zero risk of plastic leeching into flavors and vice versa over long term storage.
Plastic is merely adequate IMO.