Okay, just a general question that I have been wondering about for awhile.
“Back in the day…” most juices everyone would purchase was 70/30 (pg/vg), over time it shifted to the opposite end of the spectrum to 30/70 (pg/vg). While I know some people are allergic or have issues with pg so they would wish for a higher vg juice, why is/was it that the majority of recipes use the higher vg… just for the cloud production? It would seem that since the pg is the flavor carrier, using a higher pg ratio would mean that a lesser amount of ingredients would be used in recipe formulation and thus be a cost savings. Then I thought it may be due to wicking and leaking issues with a thinner juice… but many tanks (okay the Griffin and such) have juice control… Was it due to wanting less of a throat hit since that is mostly due to higher pg?
I prefer a 70/30 mix over anything else, PG can be harsh for me and I like clouds
Saying that, I do mix 60vg/40pg and 50/50 for my wife to use in her aspire tanks (BVC coils) as the thicker juice wont wick in those.
Im thinking that as tanks became more advanced the thicker liquid was a more viable option and the census at the time was, that people liked clouds, the more you draw in the more flavour you should get anyway right?
Well the last part has been true for me
I mixed thicker to help stop leaking on the subtank plus rba
It worked great
Now I have a griffin 25 /Apache still mix all at 80vg / 20 pg wide open juice control on griffin
Well I prefer higher VG, works better with today’s hardware. Also at the end of the day I use less juice it seems like.
Not to worried about clouds, but throat issues always in the back of my mind so limit my pg usage.
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I normally mix 30/70 (pg/vg) also and use the Griffin wide open on the juice holes. Yesterday I thought I would re-wick (it had been a few weeks) and found the coils were totally caked up with “crust” which I burned off easily (using ss) but it had me wondering again if I was using a thinner juice if they would have looked the same (all crusted up).
Never tried that thin so can’t say. Good question though. Surly someone will know.
Just my experience it is based on the flavoring that does most caking up
Brown sugar I know makes them ugly some darker flavorings
Does vg make more crude than pg ?
Hmm, i think that is dependant on the flavors in the liquid.
Custards for example seem to clog up the cotton / coil quicker than an all fruit flavor liquid, whether the vg/pg ratios would effect it or not is debatable.
You could always vape 100% PG or 100% VG with no flavors and find out! 
Well, I’ll most likely break down my fruit juice tank here in a couple hours (it’s the 22mm Griffin) and I have no idea the last time I changed it’s wicks, or even coil type I have in it currently… and see how caked up it is.
EDIT: Well after breaking down the fruit tank, the wicks looked clean and the coils (also ss) had hardly any crusting upon them… I re-wicked anyway but it didn’t really need it.
I think that back in the day we were vaping at 6 to 15 watts now everybody vapes at 30 to well the highest watt mod I’ve seen is 300 but I just can’t see anyone vaping that high. Probably about 150 or so watts. with that higher wattage I think the higher PG would bother anyone.
Hey tut, I’m gonna ask a dumb question. do you do your own coils? and do you ever do Clapton coils. Now to the point. Are there certain attys that are big enough to do Clapton on or are most of them big enough? I have a Tobeco Turbo that I like and am wondering if two claptons could be put in it?
There again I think the Ohms vs wattage has a lot to do with it.
If you are only concerned with throat hit you can always increase the nic a little bit and decrease the PG to achieve the same TH
I don’t have an answer , I can only tell you why I mix at 70/30 VG/PG or higher VG.Before I started mixing I was a big supporter of the Vape Shack 808 juice line.I would buy the Graham Cracker Custard in 16 ounce bottles.They will let you choose your VG/PG ratio and over the years I tried them all from 50/50 up to max VG.By trying all the different ratio’s on the same Graham Cracker Custard I found that I liked the 70/30 the best.
I never liked the throat hit of higher PG mixes and it seemed like I coughed more , of course it probably had more to do with smoking for almost 30 years than the actual PG.
I honestly don’t care about clouds.IMO huge clouds give the uninformed public the deception that with that much “smoke” going in and coming out of your lungs it can’t be good for anyone near you.It is much harder to make an argument about harm reduction when you look like a steam locomotive.
When I first started mixing I read everything I could find.One of the things that most worried me was developing a PG sensitivity and most “experts” seem to agree that VG is a “safer” humectant and it seems to have much less sensitivity issues than PG.
Like everything , everyone must find what works best for their needs.We are starting to see more and more options for those who have sensitivity issues with PG and we are also finding out that a PG free mix can have great flavor.
Yeah, I do my own coils… w/exception to claptons (I have pre wrapped clapton wire that I make my coils out of if using them) but I seem to like 316L ss. And with the Griffin 25mm I had no problem placing 2 clapton coils into it.
I have noticed that ELR caucalution of Pg and Vg grams amounts are different that other Web sites that allow you to store your recipes. I did the same exact recipe on another site, same percentages and the Vg/Pg grams amount was different. Check it out and see what you think. I compared with alltheflavors.com
Were you using 1g = 1ml when working with your pg/vg? If so, I think most people use sg for the pg/vg and nic but use the 1g = 1ml ration for ingredients. In the same context, if one site (or how you have it set for your preferences) you could be having the ingredients set for sg also… which would change the amounts of the required pg/vg to hit the juice’s final pg/vg marks. Make sure you have both sites set up the same is what I’m trying to say.
ELR uses 1.036 g/ml for PG and 1.26 g/ml for VG, IIRC. Purity and ambient temperature will affect the weight of both. I’ve seen some variance of a few milligrams either way, but it isn’t really enough to make a difference.
I’ve got some 50/50 around that tastes and vapes great in a small coil AIO. That juice in a sub-ohm is abrasive and overbearing, and actually looses flavor, at least desirable flavor. With my sub-ohm attys, I enjoy 70/30 VG/PG the most. It has to do with both flavor and “texture” of the vape. I do enjoy the sensation of inhaling a good thick cloud. That is not to be confused with “cloud chasing” if that makes any sense. Too much cloud and the flavor seems to diminish for me. All things considered, the adage that PG carries the flavor does not ring true completely especially in sub ohm tanks and higher wattage’s. I’m vaping a strawberry blend right now that is simply luscious. Smooth, thick, flavorful, feels great on the throat. I know I could not duplicate that vape using a lower VG content.