..? Premixing! and Cream Base Discussion

[anon60225325]

@ozo

Knowledge is power

Amen to that

[fidalgo_vapes]

i couldnt agree more , i actually have been sampling lately single flaves , and two creams together example i took vienna cream and mixed another cream just to see what the pairing is like , but with all that said i dont cook , i cld take a recipe and create it for dinner from scratch but i cant go in the cupboards and find crap to mix and it turn out well , so for me my ultimate goal would be to do what your speaking of , but i have to also be able to use the flaves we all have properly , and while i love your philosophy im not sure that approach can always be achieved considering if i want a cake i cant go in my flaves and grab butter , flour , eggs , oil etc , so i grab a cakestone or some other cake flavoring and build to it but i get what your saying

[fidalgo_vapes]

ahhhh ok perfect explanation ty for the knowledge lmao

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@Lolly

Just wondering…what has made you mix all these different creams (aside from making a flavour base obvs!). Is it based on your own creation? Did you do single flavour tests first? Have you looked at some of the creamstone recipes over on the recipe side to see what %'s others use?

Hey Lolly. Back! I actually began by creating the “Stone Series | Cream Base” on here by ckemist.

It was great, but a little too heavy for my preference. I wanted to do without going for a custard, or bavarian cream-- but I used it, because I ran out of vanilla swirl in the process of premixing that base, lol.

I briefly overviewed the milkstone, fruitstone, and cakestone recipes, but I haven’t checked out the creamstones yet.

I kept looking for “bases” but didn’t think in a logical sense to put the right keywords!

You’re right though, It seemed that the creams were fighting eachother. I had to go through so many more tests
to figure things out, haha.

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@fidalgo_vapes

i would personally drop a coupple of those creams they are playing a similar role and probably fighting each other to stand out , remember too much can mute things and ive learned too many creams eapecially similar creams will be bland

Fidalgo, I appreciate that you took the time to point that out! I will definitely keep this in mind.

@fidalgo_vapes

i like the use of butter cream in this mix along. with vienna cream , fresh cream and vanilla swirl

Butter cream goes great! & I love vienna cream. It has that right “light” and sugary balance to a cream, and it all ties in well with fresh cream. I need more vanilla swirl by the way, lol.

@fidalgo_vapes

bavarian cream 3pct sweet cream 1 to 1.5 and adding meringue 1 to 1.5.

I will have to try this for a deeper/darker flavor mix. Thanks a lot for your feedback brother! It means a lot.

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@fidalgo_vapes

btw do you have any marshmallow ???

I have FA marshmallow, but I haven’t mixed it in much.
I’ve usually kept its’ % at .50, but if I can recall, it kind of
flattened out the other flavors a bit. or “smoothened” them

I’m not quite sure but it does have a strong body to it though.

I’d like to try to pick up TFA marshmallow, I’ve heard that it has
a sweeter/sugary tone backing it

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@daath

heheh I am just like any of you guys - except I happen to run the place

Haha! We all really appreciate you keeping this site running Lars!

@daath

Nah, I usually just mix up the concentrate with no added PG/VG - I write on the bottle what % I should mix it at

Many many thanks! I have to start physically writing down recipies, instead of putting the notes on evernote and ejuicemeup. lol

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@mikelej14

That vanilla swirl and butter cream both will overpower at those percentages, not sure what %strawberries you tried but with creams I have noticed ripe needs to be up near 8% to pop thru well. Try lowering those two some by like -0.5-1% if you are mixing strawberries I use ripe around 6% with another around 2-3%

Mike. This saved it for me. I appreciate it brother.

The buttercream overwhelmed this specific mix at that %.

& You are really right about using TFA’s ripe at a higher %
It usually gets lost in translation and fades out in the mix
too quickly at 5% when you have more working together.

I thought that it would be my mistake to go even higher. lol

@mikelej14

if you are mixing strawberries I use ripe around 6% with another around 2-3%. Too much or too little will mute but that is usually a good start for myself

Thank you for that rule of thumb! It’s very helpful.

@mikelej14

Also with so much sweet creaminess you could lower or get rid of the Bavarian cream entirely would also help allow strawberry thru easier

I had to drop the bavarian cream. It really sweet, and heavy, and you’re right, it partially did hold the strawberry back in this specific mix.

Initially, I ran out of vanilla swirl while I was weighing it out, and I couldn’t think of anything else to at that time, so I grabbed bav. cream… It didn’t work out too well though. lol

[Norseman]

Here is at least one recipe that uses Butter Cream. And a fairly tasty one i might add.

DIYorDIE Apple Buttah (original)

Ingredient	%
Butter Cream (CAP)	2
Caramel (FA)	0.5
Cinnamon Danish Swirl (CAP)	0.5
Fuji Apple (FA)	4
Liquid Amber (FA)	0.5
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA)	1
Vanilla Custard v1 (CAP)	1

Flavor total: 9.5%

Remember to rate it at e-liquid-recipes.com!

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@ozo

Neither really.
I am sure you could get rid of half of the creams, doesn’t matter which, and have a usable base.

This is great to keep in mind. Thank you ozo.

The more flavors that you have within a base could sometimes lead to a “specific” only “base” that doesn’t necessarily work with everything, as a base should. So it wouldn’t really be a base at all. lol

@ozo

I think all that cream is like a bucket of fresh kitty litter, and if you poured a quart of oil in it, the oil would basically disappear.

And there goes the flavor. Nobody likes oil in their kitty litter.

Unless of course… It’s all over your driveway. lol

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@Fenrir1

Here is at least one recipe that uses Butter Cream.

I saw that one earlier today! It looked great to try out.

Did Wayne mix this? Or did Goldbones? Goldbones, right?

@Fenrir1

And a fairly tasty one i might add.

I picked up liquid state’s apple butter a few times a while back, and I liked it.

I’ll have to try this out at some point. Thanks for chiming in brother!

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@fidalgo_vapes

is it a butter is it a cream what do you know about it

I don’t know why. but this is golden.

[Norseman]

Original recipe is from Goldbones in that DIYorDIE mixing competition.
No worries.

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@ozo

If I want cream, and butter, and vanilla, etc. I like to add them individually. I control them.
Vienna Cream has undertones, Bavarian Cream has undertones, Butter Cream is trying to do two things at once, I use them, but only in certain instances. I prefer to get my taste from straighter flavorings, in this example, Fresh Cream-Vanillin-Golden Butter…and so on.

This is really important to keep in mind. It’s always good to know the undertones of something and how it would affect the overall mix. I appreciate the knowledge on that ozo!

@ozo

OK, back to food. People buy a packet of Taco Seasoning…because the recipe says [use one packet]. Ever read the ingredients of the packet? It has less of what you want, more of [preservatives, chemicals, salt] what you don’t…and most kitchens already have the separate spices on the shelf. We want it pre-mixed…ready to use…fast…impatient…

Yep! I completely agree with you. I haven’t recentely been taking the time to read labels I used to, but I do know that there are many, many, items out there that contain preservatives. Just like cigarettes are already pre-laced with formaldehyde-- embalming fluid… On a lighter note though, lol, patience is key.

@ozo

The time produces quality.

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@Fenrir1

Original recipe is from Goldbones in that DIYorDIE mixing competition.
No worries.

Crooks & Creams is another one that looks like would be a good one to try out as well!

[mikelej14]

I am glad I was able to help you straighten that out

[Lolly]

@xvw

“Stone Series | Cream Base” on here by ckemist.

I keep meaning to make this one

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How would I go about embedding a recipe like you did?

[Norseman]

Click on the wrench when you look at a recipe and copy as html (text). Thats at least how i did it.

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Thanks brother! It glitched out on me. It works now though lol. I probably tried something else by mistake.