Recipe Building and layering flavors

[Dan_the_Man]

Nicely put.

I think a good place to “describe” the layers, is in the note section of your recipe. Hopefully I understand the last paragraph, so I’ll do one.

Untamed Melon’s : http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1569873/Untamed+Melon%27s

1.5% Cream (Flavorah)
1% Milk and Honey (Flavorah)
0.75% Sweet Coconut (Flavorah)
2.25% Wild Melon (Flavorah)

Flavor total: 5.5%
Remember to rate it at: http://tjek.nu/r/cyXr

This is a delicious recipe. It has become an all day vape. The way the wild melon and sweet coconut come together in a different but tasty way. You get the melon… but wait, what just happened? It’s the sweet coconut. It mingles with the melon in such a way that it makes a whole new flavor. The milk and honey adds intensity, while the cream smooths the whole thing out. It’s good, really good. I can’t stop vaping it. the best thing about this recipe is that you can literally shake and vape.

I hope that is what you were looking for

[Dan_the_Man]

Here is another example. I really like the way @altneurose describes his layers

Dusk : http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/440124/Dusk

0.5% Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (TPA)
1.5% Banana Cream (TPA)
2% Bavarian Cream (TPA)
4% Graham Cracker (Clear) (TPA)
1% Hazelnut (FW)
3% Marshmallow (FA)
1% Peanut Butter (TPA)
1% Sugar Cookie (CAP)
0.5% Toasted Almond (TPA)

Flavor total: 14.5%
Remember to rate it at: http://tjek.nu/r/3x2t

Inspired by Milk & Honey Clones, a creamy, rich nut vape.

Peanut Butter, Hazelnut, Toasted Almond, AP and Graham Cracker (clear) build the main nutty notes. This blend is very tasty, and “hides” some bad qualities that the flavors normally have. For example TFA Peanut butter always rapes my throat in a way that feels like I’m coming down with a cold, and TFA Toasted Almond is a weird and sort of bitter flavor by itself. Not in this blend! FW Hazelnut is so sweet and tasty you could probably sub every nut (and the AP) here to 3% Hazelnut. AP and graham cracker increase background grahamy toastiness in between the nuts and the creams.

Bavarian Cream, Banana Cream and Marshmallow make a rich, sweet combo which fits well with deez nuts (sic). The banana is not among the main notes but just noticeable and boosts the overall sweetness, not in a sickly way but in a… banana’y way. FA Marshmallow is a flavor I just can’t put down. I seriously have trouble not adding it to everything. It’s a great “cream”, very sweet, not heavy nor light, and while it has a very slight hint of cinnamon, the cinnamon isn’t apparent in this mix, at all.

Sub Bavarian cream to Vanilla Swirl, and you’ve got a less heavy base, and also less Ethyl Maltol (Bavarian Cream has 10% or more EM in it), letting the nuts shine a bit brighter through.

And Sugar Cookie just because Sugar Cookie.

A few days and it’s very vapable, a week and it’s good, two weeks and it’s golden.

[BoDarc]

Yeah @Dan_the_Man thanks for that recipe too …snagged. That’s right up my flavor profile. Interesting notes. The idea is that deeper inderstanding of what you yourself experience and gaining the ability to then also share in a way others can understand is some pretty powerful DIY stuff …way over just putting a recipe up. Wayne really covers all the bases in that video and the subsequent related videos on “Layering” on YouTube. Gives you something to strive for here on the Forum and on the ELR Home side (Recipes/Notes).

There is so much information hidden in the threads on this Forum that speaks to Layers …how you got recipeX to work etc? All hidden clues in the deconstruction game when trying to clone something. I always grab these in my local notes when I casually come across because they are needles-in-haystacks when trying to find on purpose.

Many i get from contributors in “Notes” on individual flavors when they just go off-script and talk about some side-nugget of truth they uncovered while Single Flavor testing FlavX or using it in the subsequent recipe. Our top Mixers have left GREAT Notes and there are new folks coming onboard with some real ideas using their own framework for contributing to the Single Flavor Notes (@Leilani). Should layering be a thing in single flavor Notes?

So a better description and maybe some inner workings in the Notes on your own Public recipes, and maybe while putting down Notes for Single Flavors maybe stray a little and share how this flavor plays with others, or is the Top Note, the middle or the finish …from your experience.

[Leilani]

Thanks for the shout out @BoDarc.

I’m trying my best to describe what I’m tasting as I taste it. I try to keep my notes as simple as possible so that when I go back to my notes when creating a new recipe I can zoom in on key adjectives that’ll help me add layers.

I think layering in single flavor notes is helpful if you have a specific goal in mind for that flavor (like boosting* it, in case it’s weak in one area), however I don’t think it’s necessary.

[Leilani]

I’m still new to recipe building and single flavor testing, so I rely heavily on notes from other members as well. I cross reference what I taste vs what others people pick up on as far as notes/accents that I may not. It’s very useful when I build my recipe(s) - which is taking a loooong time (mostly because of single flavor testing).

As a noob to building a recipe/ layering I still rely on Google Docs where I place all my notes and list of flavors to help me stay on track. This is so I make sure I stay on course on what I want the flavors & layers to be.

Example: Don’t laugh at me!

[BoDarc]

@Leilani You do you Boo. The strength and weakness of the ELR Notes is non-consistency, although I must admit I gravitate to folk’s Notes I know to be knowledgeable …and consistent. Maybe that “inconsistency” is how we get there. Getting it altogether in one place is some Flavor Bible stuff and this framework looks like a 3D bullseye.

Not sure if I’m pitching something that’s above the original concept/goal of Flavor Notes on ELR Flavor Search, but it sure would be ambitious to have something like this. Search “Flavor Bible” on the Forum for this previous discussion. Being able to minimize overall size, while delivering data that can be quickly absorbed, a smart start, so Kudos from me.

I would think any Flavor Bible would include singular “layered” descriptions as above and possible recommended pairings and how those additional flavors either boost or subdue …such as moving BlueberryX from a Support/Accent note to a Top.

Ha! Now only 999,999 more to go

[Dan_the_Man]

That is pretty good. You did that on Google Docs? I should learn how to do something like that.

[Leilani]

Thank you .

I constructed the majority of it Google Docs. I made the “Recipe Pyramid” as an editable Photoshop document and saved the file as a .JPEG to import into Google Docs. It’s pretty easy to learn Google Docs; it’s interface is very similar to Microsoft Word. One of the pluses with Google Docs is that it’s housed on the cloud; you can always have it on hand and edit as you work.

[Dan_the_Man]

I need to bite the bullet and put my notes (they are on paper) into the single flavor notes. It seems like a monumental task and I am a procrastinator of the highest sort. If I had done it like @Leilani I could have transferred them much easier.

this might be a little off topic, but I have noticed a particular name (Minty Mods) in the note section for flavors. This name does not exist as a mixer on ELR. I think someone pastes his notes from reddit.

Also, some of the notes are so far off base it’s crazy. Then there are some that say the opposite of the notes above it, and I hardly ever see someone I recognize.

[Dan_the_Man]

right on! I need to do it that way. The pyramid is a nice touch.

[Leilani]

Don’t get rid of your paper notes! Those are valuable back ups just in case the internet implodes on itself and your hard drive goes KAPOOT! If you have your single flavor notes in your “Flavor Stash” on ELR you can just save them as .PDF and export them to a storage device for safe keeping.

MysticRose had an issue with deleting certain flavors but wanting to save notes. Here is a link where I have directions to saving your flavor notes from ELR if you are interested.

Flavor notes get deleted when I remove a flavor from stash

I see this thread. I know you have deleted your notes and I don’t know of a solution other than what others have posted, but in the meantime leave your notes and the flavors you have for them in your stash. You can periodically back up your Flavor stash & Notes as a .PDF file, so you never lose them - I use the print button and “print” as a .PDF. If you have Adobe Acrobat, you can set it up as your “default” printer. Once you do this, hit the [printer] icon in your Flavor Stash. A window will …

[Dan_the_Man]

yes, that will come in handy, thank you.

[SessionDrummer]

@Leilani

I’m still new to recipe building and single flavor testing, so I rely heavily on notes from other members as well. I cross reference what I taste vs what others people pick up on as far as notes/accents that I may not. It’s very useful when I build my recipe(s) - which is taking a loooong time (mostly because of single flavor testing).

As a noob to building a recipe/ layering I still rely on Google Docs where I place all my notes and list of flavors to help me stay on track. This is so I make sure I stay on course on what I want the flavors & layers to be.

Example: Don’t laugh at me!

No laughing here @Leilani, I don’t come close to being a layering expert, I need all the help I can get. Good stuff.

[SessionDrummer]

@Leilani

Don’t get rid of your paper notes! Those are valuable back ups just in case the internet implodes on itself and your hard drive goes KAPOOT! If you have your single flavor notes in your “Flavor Stash” on ELR you can just save them as .PDF and export them to a storage device for safe keeping.

You @Leilani are becoming the goddess of GOOD information here. I can’t agree more. I have ALL my data, recipes, flavors, mixes backed up, JUST in case. When you find something you LOVE, back it up, print it, whatever you gotta do. Some things ARE irreplaceable.

[Leilani]

Awww, the same goes to you @SessionDrummer. My experience thus far on ELR is that everyone contributes as best they can in order to help each other on our DIY journey. That’s why my thanks goes to you, all the noobs and veterans for putting out valuable information that I can study and take notes on; compare & contrast to my own, and ultimately make recipes that I enjoy - and hopefully others (who might have the same flavor profile as me) will enjoy as well.

[CanYouSayMyName]

Hi @Leilani, ive read all your post of this topic for today.

Im fairly new to mixing my liquids and have never tried to layer liquids. I really like fruity liquids, but i also like Ube . As im reading your notes, i just cant stop myself and gotta ask how the recipe is going? Or how far it got to.

I know this topic is oldddd. So the chance of getting a response i would think would be very low. But might as well take my shot!

Thank you for your response in advance!

Have a good one!

[SessionDrummer]

Welcome to ELR @CanYouSayMyName.

[fidalgo_vapes]

Leilani took time away a couple years back …Welcome to the forum , hopefully you will have some time to keep reading through alk the info others have made available…

[ladycrooks]

@Dan_the_Man

TFA Toasted Almond is a weird and sort of bitter flavor by itself. Not in this

I wonder if this is what is going on with my most recent toasted marshmallow recipie… it tastes “weird
By itself” but I bet if I put another marshmallow in there it would work?

[Adequate_food]

thank you for asking this. ive been trying to wrap my brain around this idea also.