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Regular Nicotine vs. Salt Nicotine (Steeping time difference?)


#1

Has anybody noticed a difference?


#3

Yeah I searched the site. And google. From what I could find, there’s a post about the added acid (in nicotine salts) inhibiting color change - Nicotine salts vs. free base nicotine - but @woftam didn’t comment on the actual flavor notes being steeped (unless I’m misreading something).


#4

There is no difference IMO. For the most part the colour change you see is just nicotine and flavours oxidizing.

I took this to show a different point but it applies here too.

On the left you will see a juice (with creams and fruits) that was aged since the 15th of December on the right (with slight bubbles) is a mix that was mixed on the day of the photo (heating to 50c and stirring for an hour)
photo was take on the 31st of Dec)


#5

Does one of those bottles have a salt nic recipe and the other regular nic recipe?
Btw, I appreciate you testing this stuff out––props.

I’m just thinking here… Not a scientist by any means…
The acid in nicotine salts preserves the nicotine from oxidation -> When that acid is dispersed into the recipe, it coats everything -> Theoretically, the vg/pg/flavoring/nicotine would all be preserved by the acid = longer steep time and we can visually see that through the lack of yellowish color.


#6

No, they are both salt - it just shows the lack of colour change over time.

I think you may be under the misconception that colour equals steep IMO this is absolutely not true. I believe that colour equals oxidation and nothing more.

The only thing I believe happens with the aging of the juice is that the ingredients become uniformly distributed throughout the mix over time. In other words, if properly mixed with the right equipment there is no need for aging - unfortunately for us, the right equipment is extremely expensive and out of the reach of many of us. As a result, we use the next best option which is aging which will do exactly the same thing.


#7

I’m curious of the nic mg. I’ve had some mixes that stayed as clear as day1 for months (@1-3mg nic mostly MF Fruity mixes). This the exception tho as most my mixes does show some color change over time… all freebase nic.


#8

I switched from freebase to salt nic some time ago, and I almost exclusively mix 3mg. After switching to salt, the same recipes remain crystal clear instead of going yellow-ish, and the mixes that were deeper yellow or even amber, get a light yellow tint (mostly due to flavor color I think)


#9

@AdamT Since you brought up Acids and Regular Nic vs Nic Salts. If you are trying to decide on the type of Nic you should use. I wouldn’t base it solely on how they steep.

Please consider…

How many mg/mL of nicotine do you need.

What kind of device are you using and it’s wattage and temp output.

And what wattage and temp do you like to vape at? Some people do like HOTTER vapes.

Not exactly sure what temperature the bonds break between the acid and Nic salts making them a concern. But it is an important thing to consider. If they do bond with Flavors differently? Sorry I just don’t know Ive only used Salts.

Nic River has a lot of good replies and advice for using their Nic Salts. If you open this video in YouTube directly you can read them all.


#10

Happy new year mate good to see you dropping by :+1:

That mix is 3mg but most fruit mixes will stay crystal clear whereas creams custards will turn a light yellow over time as opposed to a much darker almost brown that many mixes (custards in particular) turn over time with Freebase.


#11

I am also using salts and just had a brainwave.
Seeing as salts stop nic oxidation has anyone tried steeping differently.
Ie in a warm light place to see if it steeps quicker.

Ps feel free to split this if wanted.