I am vaping this juice 8 months now and would really like any help obtaining a recipe for this tobacco caramel vanilla milk juice which i really like.
The issue is not this juice being expensive in Greece, but also because of the new laws starting in 2 months which will make it impossible to obtain it.
Any help will be appreciated
Thanks
Can say that I am really deep into tobacco mixes. But if I were I would use a rocket puppy ry4 recipie and add a dairy flavor. Ry4 double is the star
If the recpieā¦caramel and tobacco. Add vanilla bourban FA or other with dairyā¦could be close.
Thank you for your help!
I think I tried something similar but was way offā¦
Didnāt have the creaminess I was looking for and I think they are using (not sure at all) flu cured tobacco from Flavorahā¦
I was thinking since Django is a cake, maybe it would have some in it like vanilla cupcake, yellow cake, cake batter etcā¦
I was also thinking since I like strawberry milk flavors to take one and instead of Straberry to replace it with RY4D
Cheers!
hey daniel
i feel your pain; also trying to get this one nailed down but it is not so easyā¦
iāve obtained a couple of flue cured tobacco concentrates (hangsen one lesser known brand), but i think RY4 is the way to go as it might be easier to nail the caramel / vanilla elements of this mix
i do not think flavorah cured tobacco is the way forward as itās too strong, and the tobacco element of django is quite muted compared to the caramel, in my opinion
really hoping for somebody to help here! been going crazy trying to replicate this oneā¦
Hey
Think u r right about the ry4 and think is the source of the caramel
Everytime i add caramel i compare it to django and just cant find it in there
Took an opinion from another django fan and he told me that he thinks there are 5 different types of cream and vanilla in the juice
Hope we succeed our quest at some point and share the recipe here
Cheers
D
hey D,
sounds like a plan to me; i definitely do not intend to give up on this oneā¦ the more i think of it, the more im thinking of the āvanilla milkā essence of it - how to get the balance with the deep caramel flavourā¦
i even picked up some freshly bought concentrates today to see if any will work (mostly vanillaās and dulce de leche but i doubt that is part of it, just had to get it just in case 
)
planning on playing around over the weekend with this and will let you know if i ever get there, or have anything else to note
hope others can contribute as well; as this is going to be a mission!
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Iāve had a few attempts at this, and Iāve come up with some really tasty recipes, whether or not they match up with Django itself. I havenāt actually tasted any Django for a few months now, so Iāve had to work by memory alone, but I think Iāve gotten pretty close in my most recent attempts.
Hereās a link to my latest attempt.
Current recipe:
Caramel (FA) 0.75%
Cream Fresh (FA) 1.5%
Cured Tobacco (Flavorah) 0.75%
MTS Vape Wizard (FA) 0.1%
Sweet Cream (TPA) 1.5%
Vanilla Shisha (INAWERA) 1%
Vienna Cream (FA) 0.5%
Caramel (FA) 0.75%
This is my go to Caramel. HIC describes it as more of an ice cream topping caramel, as opposed to candy, which I think matches the profile of the caramel in Django pretty well.
Cream Fresh (FA) 1.5% / Sweet Cream (TPA) 1.5% / Vanilla Shisha (INAWERA) 1% / Vienna Cream (FA) 0.5%
This is the āVanilla Milkā - I didnāt want the full flavor of Vienna Cream - just the body. 0.5% is enough for this. Cream Fresh at 1.5% is the milk note, with Sweet Cream adding more dairy notes. Vanilla Shisha is where the primary vanilla notes are coming from.
Brief development notes are below the recipe. In version 7, Iām gonna drop FLV Cured Tobacco to 0.25-0.5%, as my friends who regularly vape Django say the tobacco is still too prominent in my version. Their general comment is that Django only has very light tobacco notes a few seconds after exhale. I made one version around 0.25% Cured Tobacco, and itās definitely close.
Does anyone want to add some more notes to get a little closer to an accurate profile? Iām specifically interested in how much body / weight the original has. Iāve been moving away from heavier creams, but not sure if this is the way to go.
ahhh man, this sounds absolutely delicious - really appreciate your reply, as i think itās saved me a lot of trial and error
thankfully i have all of these ingredients, but no base to mix with! hahah, the sweet ironyā¦
cured tobacco in such a low percentage might be the trick here; will be interesting to see how it splices with the restā¦
my wednesday evening is planned, it seems - how long do you recommend steeping this for, a month? i have a few bottles of 15ml django in my vape drawer, so am happy give some (hopefully) useful feedback later in the week
i couldnāt access your recipe though as it shows as private - is the one you shared here identical?
eagerly looking forward to your response; thanks again for responding - i was all but out of hope here!
Thanks a lot for the recipe and reply!!!
I will give a go myself as well!
Just a question, the FA were added as it was in your stash or you tried with TPA as well and ended up with FA
Also, as I was vaping it, I was thinking to add butter cream to it as I think it might be one of the ingredients
Cheers!
Youāre both more than welcome!
Iāve modified the title now, and made the latest recipe public, so the old link will no longer work.
See here instead:
Link: Django (clone) v6
In regards to steeping, Iāve actually found that FLV Cured Tobacco is ready immediately. (Recently read that Flavorah specifically state their concentrates are made to be used immediately.) I have literally vaped this straight after making it, and itās already very, very good indeed. In my experience, it benefits from my usual shake and heat method, plus overnight steep, which is:
Itās also probably worth bearing in mind that FLV Cured Tobacco apparently recedes when left for more than a few weeks, though Iāve not waited around long enough to test this yet. I always manage to vape / give away every batch I make before itās a month old.
P.S. I should add that I feel Iāve not quite nailed the āvanilla milkā aspect of this profile yet. The previous iterations of this had higher percentages of Vienna Cream (w/ Bavarian cream and Vanilla swirl as well) and lower percentages of Cream Fresh. They were absolutely delicious in their own right, but not quite hitting the kind of notes I was aiming for with cloning Django.
@horizonism ahhh legend, thanks bruv! appreciate you sorting out the link, i can clearly see how much effort you have put into this process. i am still quite a novice at DIY (only started vaping in august) so appreciate the tips.
the vanilla milk part of django is going to be torturous to nail downā¦ i assumed it was leaning toward the caramel more than the vanilla, but i think i was heading down the wrong track there. even grabbed things in preparation for future attempts (fwās dulce de leche and butterscotch ripple) but have not tried them yetā¦ desperation hereā¦
i dig your steeping method; i have a cheap ultrasonic which i use for around 2-3 hours at a session; maybe two sessions and then leave for a while in a cupboard.
however there wonāt be any concern with me having any of this after a few weeks if it turns out as good as i think it will. iāll be sure to make a tester of your V6 alongside one with @Daniel33 's suggestion of adding butter cream. it might be the key to that ācaramelesqueā quality i was misreading.
very happy to see this thread coming alive - and sincerely hoping for further discussion here! 
Forgot to respond to the points brought up by @Daniel33
In regards to FA vs TPA, I used FA concentrates for the primary components of the āvanilla milkā, along with Vanilla Shisha (INAWERA), as I thought it would get me closest to the flavour profile, based on my memory of vaping Django.
Butter Cream (CAP) sounds good! Iāve not tried that yet. Iāll add it to my next order of concentrates.
@horizonism hey man, itās thirsty thursday so iām mixing your recipe (finally!)
the only substitution would be DX on the sweet cream, everything else is goā¦ i put cured tobacco @ .3% to be cautious.
i spun the mix around with a badger paint mixer (beats shaking it anyway) and now iām giving it a whirl on the ultrasonic with water between 40-50 celciusā¦ about an hour of this
after an overnight cold cupboard dwelling do you think itāll be ready to go tomorrow?
looking forward to this; as you can probably tell, i am quite impatient!
@carnage0 this recipe is definitely for those who canāt wait! Look forward to your feedback!
I was about to respond to this thread anyway, as I bought some Django yesterday, and discovered it was absolutely nothing like this ācloneā I created! At first, I was a little disappointed to realise how completely different it was, but after a few seconds of vaping it, I realised I recognized a large part of the profile.
So this has driven me to try again, with a completely revised ingredients list.
This is what I get from Django:
dense, rich, vanilla bean ice cream with extra cream [Flavor West Vanilla Bean Ice Cream with some extra cream - Iām thinking FLV cream - fits the bill here]
prominent top note of Butterscotch plus a little Caramel, almost exactly matching the profile of Imperial Butterscotch by @thirdworldorder [So for this, Iām looking at using FW Butterscotch (Natural), which is the primary ingredient in that recipe, perhaps with a little help from FLV Butterscotch, and FLV Caramel]
subtle, yet distinctive, slightly bitter, green leaf tobacco notes [I have no idea what this is, but Iām **100% sure itās _not_ FLV Cured Tobacco**; Iāve ordered some Hangsen Flue Cured to see if thatās closer, but itās a shot in the dark at the moment]
So without testing this, the first iteration will look something like this.
(I assume itāll require a fair amount of tweaking to get right.)
Butterscotch (Flavorah) 0.5%
Butterscotch (Natural) (FW) 3%
Caramel (Flavorah) 0.5%
Cream (Flavorah) 1%
Flue Cured (Hangsen) 1%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (FW) 3%
Vanilla Custard (Flavorah) 0.5%
Iāve got almost everything I need to have a go at creating this. (Still awaiting Hangsen Flue Cured in the post, and just had to re-order some FW VBIC). Iāll post back in this thread with results.
In the meantime, for the purposes of creating a really good Tobacco Vanilla Milk vape, thatās nothing like Django, but is still very tasty in its own right, Iād actually suggest going back a few steps in my development process using the original ingredients. This is the recipe that worked best with those components: Sinaloa (Django-inspired Tobacco & Vanilla Milk)
The big advantage of that Sinaloa recipe is that itās ready to vape straight away!
nice one @horizonism - buying django once more is showing your true dedication to this project we have going here; awesome stuffā¦!
i vaped your older (and non-clone like recipe) and i really dig it - itās a lot like my earlier attempts at django, but evolvedā¦ much smoother and moreish than what i ever came up with. in my tank it stays, and it will probably be gone before long 
FYI i bought some hangsen flue cured in, but like i said above:
i donāt think hangsen is the way forward, nor āflue curedā at all, perhapsā¦ makes me think the description of django seems a bit airy for my liking, and not sure how true it isā¦ but then again i might revisit hangsen as i donāt think i did it justice in my earlier attemptsā¦ and i think youāre right about FLV flue cured not being āthe oneā.
itās a shame to see your recipe go down the āwarning signā route, as of right now i donāt DIY any acetonin etc etc. so iām going to drift off down the other way in the crossroads we find ourselves at and probably mix something using the following as a springboard:
3% - butterscotch ripple (fw)
1% - caramel (fa)
3% - vanilla swirl (tpa)
1% - flue cured (hangsen) vs ry4 (double) (tpa) 3%
i will order butterscotch (natural) (fw) as i do not currently have it in my collection, nor did i think of itā¦ i also have dulce de leche (fw) but have not tried that either, so any advice here would be welcomed!
the madness continues! 
@carnage0 really glad to hear youāre digging Sinaloa! I still love that mix of ingredients.
Re: diketones, Iāve searched high and low for lab reports from 13th floor, even contacted them, but received no response about DA/AP levels in their juice line. The lack of transparency suggests thereās DA/AP present, otherwise itās almost certain theyād be more open about it, as Iām sure theyāre aware of how peopleās concerns affect sales.
I originally intended to create something approaching Django without any DA/AP, and Sinaloa is the best Iāve come up with.
Iām personally not as bothered about that any more, though I understand peopleās concerns in this area.
I vaped a little more Django last night, and am now almost 100% certain thereās RY4 present in the mix. (I distinctly recognise the somewhat sickly sweet twang at the back of my throat that I get from @Ckemistās Southern Smoke ry4 blend.) I think the RY4 is where the main Caramel note is coming from, but Iām also almost 100% certain the bitter, leafy tobacco top note is coming from a very different tobacco concentrate. It could be anything, tbh. Iāve not mixed anywhere near enough tobacco juices to be able to discern which particular concentrate is being used.
That said, I made a simplified 10ml sampler of my latest recipe, using Hangsen Flue cured last night, and even with only a quick hot water bath, it actually tasted a lot more similar to Django than any of my previous recipes.
My next tester will include ry4 and a small amount of Hangsen flue cured. Iām gonna try to let it steep for a few weeks and report back with results.
Re: butterscotch, Iāve personally found that butterscotch (natural) (FW) is a pretty complex concentrate. It develops some very interesting notes during steeping (almost subtle berry / fruit flavours after a few weeks), so it makes for some interesting recipes. Iām now no longer certain itās the actual butterscotch used in Django (I get slightly deeper, buttery notes when smell testing, which reminds me more of @NotCharlesMansonās Royal Butterscotch, might suggest just standard Butterscotch (FW), but itās still worth buying the natural version, imo, due to its dynamic characteristics.
Iāve never actually tried dulce de leche, so Iām not much use in that area. Excited to see what you come up with down the non DA/AP route though!
@horizonism hahah yeah man, iāll be getting through that sinaloa pretty sharpishly!
as for django, i dont think 13th floor really have a customer service / etc focus. i got some django on sale a month or two back and asked them about expiry dates - no response. makes me feel less guilty about trying my best to clone the damn thing. but i think youāre spot on - there has to be some diketone blend working here.
to be fair, if you crack this - then i would definitely make an exception to put aside my giving a shit to try it
as iām still fairly new to DIY, iām afraid i cannot help you much with the tobacco notes here. i did buy inaweraās RY4 which i might try out in my next batch, i could always put that alongside the hangsen and then rock tfaās double in another bottle.
looking at @Ckemist 's mix, iām tempted to add a bit of brown sugar and/or sucralose to this oneā¦ i think it might support the other sweet flavours and their dominance with the flow of this butterscotch/caramel factor.
also, iām not going to bother with golden butter / butter cream for nowā¦ on reflection i think itāll just end up being a dead end.
youāve sold butterscotch (natural) (fw) to me anyway, iāll definitely get that in my next DIY round (one of many recently, as i am finding all of this to be really fāing addictive ahahah)
and yeah, iāll bosh a bit of dulce in the mix tooā¦ i donāt see why notā¦ but for some reason iām quite confident with butterscotch ripple for some reason.
times like these make me realise there is such an abundance of choice out there in regard to concentrate selectionā¦it makes cloning a tiresome, yet curiously moreish taskā¦
Hello all!
Dont know if you managed to get any closer to the recipeā¦i know i didnt!!!
Any news to keep the post alive and direct us to a direction to make more test would be appreciated
Cheers
D
hey guys
i havent had time to try and more attempts due to chaos in my personal life right now, but i have not given up and plan to make some time to try some ideas soon
@Daniel33 - it would be good if you share what you have tried with myself and @horizonism so we do not risk going down the same path - in other words, the more we share - the better chance we have of solving this riddle of a mix