We have one big advantage over the typical vaper. This community, that shares tips & info, good and bad. We have each other’s backs, so to speak.
The typical vape spud is going to go to his local B&M, for a few coils and some juice, and find a ‘Closed’ sign on the door. As a community, we have a pretty wide knowledge base at ELR. We will have to deal with the regs too, in one way or another, but we won’t be caught with our knickers down.
The DIY market is the “gray” area. From what I understand, these regulations set forth from the FDA do not affect DIY’ers as drastically, as long as your creating E-Juice for yourself and your not creating juices for the masses (you’d be considered a manufacturer / retailer then).
Buying your VG,PG, & Flavorings should not be a problem right now for DIYers (however, that is still up in the air as well) but will directly affect e-liquid manufactures. However liquid nicotine is placed in the same scope of “tobacco products” which carry the same restrictions applied to any other tobacco product. So stocking up on Nicotine could be a good idea at this point.
@Nicotine_River - could chime in with some information regarding how this will affect the sales of nicotine for them personally.
Yes I would love to hear from them on this… I still have around 750ml of 100mg/ml Nic in my freezer but I don’t have a comfortable number of mods and tanks/drippers to keep me and my wife going… so Nic and hardware are my biggest concerns… I have an order comming in from china that just shipped out yesterday with 3 mods in it and hopefully it will make it to me without incident but I would like to have around 20 or so devices to hold me over… might be placing a Nic order early if possible… I wanted to wait until around the holidays to get it cheaper but if they are going to crack down I sure hope it isn’t too late
We vapes unflavored for over a year and if push comes to shove I’m not against that if I can’t get flavors but I need more Nic to last me 20 years lol
I can’t say (or anyone else for that matter) with 100% certainty what the future will hold. So since “doomsday” is basically here, it’s not a bad idea to prep yourself. A few DIY vendors have already taken a stand with DIY’ers but I predict that some will eventually distance themselves from the DIY market in order to stay in operation.
It all comes down to the “intent” of the product in concerns with the FDA. Can manufacturers continue to prove that their supplies aren’t just for DIY’ers? Are they just for foods & beverages or are they intended for the use for vape related products?
Here is some worthwhile reading.
And this final link is definitely bump worthy. It explains this whole stinky mess.
Me too brother. US Army 1971-1973. But we all serve with every tax dollar paid. They work for us, but that is just another hollow promise…until enough people remind them. Millions of us swore an oath against all enemies foreign and domestic.The enemies within are far more dangerous than any other has ever been.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” Cicero
Excellent quote! Army 72-75.
Just bringing this topic back up to the top, if @Nicotine_River could take a few minute and speak on this we would all greatly appreciate it 
Hi Jayrell,
I took a proactive approach and began calling a few online vendors concerning the ability to purchase liquid nicotine & flavorings.
The outlook looks promising for a few vendors who wont be directly affected by the FDA deeming regulations. I think it’s a good idea to call your favorite vendors directly in order to see how these regulations affect them. 
You might be surprised by what they say.
I did send an email to nic river also as they are the ones I planned to buy more nic from this year sometime… my last nic purchase was over 2 years ago lol had 2000 ml of 100mg/ml nic sitting in the freezer at one point but now down to around 750ml figured it’s time to wait for a sale and restock but wanting to hold off until around the holidays if at all possible to save a few dollars… if I need to purchase sooner I can but I would rather hold out a little longer if nothing is in jeopardy…
I have forwarded this thread to the owner of our company. He will respond with a statement shortly, thank you!
And this is why you guys are #1 in my book! The transparency and customer satisfaction top notch!
Also, be sure to give your favorite vendors a ring if by chance you don’t get a response via email. (^_^)
Good afternoon,
I was down in NC last week meeting with a consulting group for PMTA’s and learned a lot. The FDA does not want people to be able to do what the DIY market is doing. Which is essentially taking matters into their own hands in regards to, at home mixing, saving money, which in turn ultimately creates a potential health risk for other people, animals etc. in regards to nicotine being sold openly to the public. We are actively trying to find ways around this and will ultimately find a solution. The deadline for PMTA’s is November of next year. Everyone is ultimately safe for now and can breathe easy 
-Grant Boatman
thank you grant can you educate me a little the November deadline is for what , is this a month to have concern about , asking because its right around the corner ill research , but im sure you could sum it up for us quickly and a lot easier lol ty
Thanks Grant!! That helps me breath a little easier.
Always!
Thank you guys for everything
@Jayrell and @Nicotine_River I can’t tell you how much it means to me (and others I’m sure) to have a company come in, and not only stay active on the ELR site, but gives many of us, a real look at what is going on. Thanks very much as well. I wish more companies did this.
I’ll have him take a look at this thread once again to comment on your question.
Thank you!