I believe before SC there was Raw Extract line that seemed to be different than the SC. Then they went to the SC line and the extracts disappeared completely
This thread talks about ot a bit…Pay attention to PVs comments , he seems to have the facts from Walt
Smooth Hazelnut Filling (SSA) 1% / 2% (12-16-23) – As was the case with a few of these new(er) flavors, I did have to double this one up from 1% to 2% for an improved experience At 1% I got a very light, creamy hazelnut, with a hint of chocolate, and doubling did increase the overall profile somewhat. It was still a somewhat laid back flavor, and at 2% it was getting a litter darker in my tester tanks. At 2%, I got the same slightly creamy hazelnut with an increased chocolate. I never really felt like it took on a full on Nutella, but it was TRYING to head that way. After a few testers, and doubling this one, it seemed like it would be better suited as a mixer/baser, than the star of the show. I actually tasted more Hazelnut off the finger than when atomized. It seemed like it needed a litte “more” to really pop, but I left it solidly at 2% for the remaining tests. At the higher weight, it was somewhat improved, and with no real off-notes, except a slight bitterness on the finish, BUT, that actually worked to authenticate the hazelnut. Sweetness levels were a few ticks below mid-level sweet, and overall the hazelnut DID seem to be more pronounced than the chooclate. With the chocolate lower in the mix it was hard to fully flush out, and it was more of a mid dark chocolate, which did seem to pair well with the HN. All in, an interesting flavor, but due to it’s fairly relaxed nature, even doubled, I think it would be best suiting for adding as a mixer to a recipe. Tasty, but it just never really wowwed me. Placing it at a 7.5/10.
@fidalgo I remember when they came out, and I still have OG bottles, which are both RAW and SC !!!
Regardless of what name they threw on them, the biggest different seemed to be the carrier and strenghts. The VG’s were much weaker, and took much longer to steep, which is why most of us went the Extract or SC route.
SD, I see you’re playing with SSA at 1% and i was wondering at what percentage do you use them later in your mixing adventures? Just curious, because (to me) except a few, they all work better at 2-3% for solo testing (and i think i am more able to recognize their usage potential if pushed higher).
Also, if SSA used as the main flavor in a recipe i nearly always push them way higher than 1% (asking because for other brands we are pretty close at percentage used for solo testing, often you test them even higher, well except here where the difference is huge, 100% or 200% yuuge).
Damn, that C&C… can’t get it anywhere in Europe for years. I would easily put it in my top10 flavors of all times. No… it would be in my top5, completely irreplaceable.
Thanks for asking @Mikser. I think for almost 3 years, Sobucky’s have (or had) proved to be more of an actual Super Concentrate, and I had been testing them at 1% with no issues previously.
Now granted, I could have tried to nit-pick each individual flavor, and try to use individual percentages for each, but that would blow up the backlog. Mixing with them, I would say typically 0.5%-2.5% on average.
With these new(er) flavors (some, not all), they are indeed working out better higher, and that was unexpected, given the years of testing them previously.
@SessionDrummer have those bottles look at this one compared
And then there were these …
I knew i had at least 1…I can still smell the alcohol when i open this
Yes @SessionDrummer please flip the pic
I was going to reply but I think Fiddy answered already.
This is probably my favorite Raspberry right now. Here are my notes
SFT 2% premium raspberry SSA
Deep red raspberry, saturated flavor, no seeds, no off notes. Slightly candied, sweet. I’m not pulling completely authentic raspberry, nor does this hold a candle to MF (obviously), but this works in bakeries, with creams or custards, drinks, see “Twist My Lemons” I will absolutely keep this in my stash. It’s not candied like shisha INW. Great raspberry!! No floral!
I use this between 1-2%, in a mix.
I think they are different, I think raspberry syrup isn’t as candied, but I also think it’s not as saturated as premium. I like them both but lately I’ve been reaching for premium more. It worked really nicely in my lemonade recipe. Indesisive at the moment. I’ll retest raspberry syrup again to see.
Here are my notes on Raspberry syrup, I didn’t think I had written them down
I’ve been meaning to add my notes on this one
SFT’d 1% 70/30 zero nic.
What I get from this concentrate is a really ripe, red raspberry. Not completely syrupy, and not too sweet. It’s not candy like. It’s almost like syrup part should have been left out of the name. This is useful in drinks IE: lemonades, fruit punches, smoothies, or custards, doughnuts, with other fruits (duh) it doesn’t fade easily. It’s a smooth rounded red raspberry. I’ve not taken it above 1.25%. My preferred in a mix is .50-1.25%
Solo-no
Main-maybe? I find this great as an accent to other fruits or a background. It can hold its own too.
Strong Strawberry (SSA) 1% / 2% (12018-23) – I had originally thought to run this one much lower, as it was billed as a “strong”, but I left it at the 1% rate, and then doubled it to 2% for the duration. At 2% it didn’t appear to be hitting the ceiling, muting, or bending. It was and interesting blend of Strawberry types, and they were sweet, candied, and jammed, ALL in one package. Even at 2%, while very present, it wasn’t heavy or overpowering, and it was tasty. Because it seemed to straddle a few types, this one could, and will have a lot of uses. Smelling it in the bottle, there was a much higher amount of jammy-ness, and almost pectin, but testing it, they receeded a bit, and the sweet, and candied became more pronounced. 3 testers in, it was still interesting, and fairly complex, and kept my interest, especially with the jammy kick on the finish. I have to admit, while rolling through the testers, I DID have the urge to splash it into some cream, and milk to see how it would “pink” up a milk (I’ll do that after the last flavor in this series). All in, it was a surprisingly complex SB, with hints of sweet, candied, and jammed, with a nice tarty jammy finish. While not supa dupa strong, it was still pretty strong, and tasty. Leaving this one at a high 9.5/10.
Sounds like a good cheesecake strawberry.
Ya but you think Wild Rasp MF is soft also…I cant trust your Rasp notes lmao…Just Messing with ya
Sam said that. He disagreed with my thoughts. I said .50-.75% in a mix…he said way higher…time stamps up…
(I know you’re just messing around lol) I said vibrant, he said soft lol
28:17 for MF Wild Raspberry lol
https://www.youtube.com/live/ZrOmCNJxm-Y?si=8wYVHHdHeas0NmB5
Ahh yes you sre correct , he sampled from a 3 year old bottle mixed at 1pct lmao…
Waffle with Butter (SSA) 1% / 2% (12-19-23) – Having picked up QUITE a few waffles for some projects, I WAS looking forward to this one. As with a few of the others, I started testing at 1%, and ended up running it at 2%. At both testing weights, it presented about the same, and that was Butter, with a side of butter, and a pinch of “kinda” waffles. Hehe, yes, sadly, that was it. The butter was very present, and almost greasy, and I initially thought of “movie theater” butter. Maybe margerine or another artificial NOT butter product. It did not present as a fresh creamery butter let’s say. There was some kind of fairly light bakery-ish element HIDING under the “butter”, but it was hard to taste. No real wheat, grains, or vanillas that would tempt you into a convincing waffle, but more of a non-descript dairy with some weight. Because the “butter” element was very forward, I would have preferred a more natual butter, and of course some real waffle elements too !!! At 1% it was, butter, butter, hint-o-waffle and the same at 2%. Not a real show stopper, and at least if Sobucky had nailed the butter part, it could have been more usable. Sadly they kinda missed both the “real” butter boat, and the waffle boat. Closing out this Sobucky series with this one, and leaving it fairly low, and it felt generous to award it a 4.5/10.
Now that these are done, I can FINALLY read and see what others thought about them. IMO, the Lemon Pound Cake and Marshmallow were the SUPER Stars in this series. Far more in the middle of the pack, and a few I rated lower. As always, just because some flavors may not excel as solo’s doesn’t mean they won’t work, and sometimes great, in mixes, and, these are how I tasted them, and your results could be different.
A few stars, a few duds, and far greater in the middle for me in this series.
Wow that one is surprising. I love waffle with butter. I however have never sft it. The 2 recipes i vaped with it though are the best most accurate waffles i ever had so maybe this one just breaks out as a mixer. Have you tried Rockys Biscoff wafflez with it? Its insane how accurate a waffle that juice is
