does it say "danger, do not use outside of battery pack on the other side?
Thanks again laberynth!
The trick is, Sony would prefer if we didn’t use their batteries at all. The is what the “do not use outside of battery pack” bit is about. Our application is not what is intended for these batteries when they make them. We subject them to intermittent pulse rates at extremely high discharge. We expose them to chemicals. We tear up the wrappers and rewrap them. We get on the news because cloudbro’s that don’t understand batteries or physics dead short them and start fires. Sony would prefer we choose another brand and preserve their good name. But their batteries are the gold standard of awesome. Always have been really. They dont sell them in those little green paper boxes, but there is nothing inherently suspicious about the battery in your picture. The labels are required for shipment into certain countries, and so someone (not sony) labels them and puts them in that little box. None of that means they aren’t real. The only way you can really tell is to see if it will deliver 30A without getting overly hot or having huge voltage drop, that is is the correct weight, stores the expected amount of power, and that the markings appear legitimate. Other than that, your guess, well, its as good as ours.
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you’re my hero <3
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and as @JMak642 said before a reliable vendor like imr, illumn get theres sealed from factory, when there is a threat of fakes, they shut it down and check every one, they did it not 2 months ago. That silly sticker peals of and reveals the sony #'s is a link to what it means but i cant f’n find it, lmao
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Another vote for illumn.com that’s the only place I get my batts… I’m hardcore LG HG2 fan here lol I like my 3000 mah batts
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I did have a bit of a thought that may or may not work (it may hold true i don’t know)
i just weighed a bunch of batteries
vct5a 48.30g + or - .02g (8 batteries tested
vtc5 44.37g + or - .5g (4 batteries tested)
I wonder it it holds true for other batteries and i wonder if the fakes would be considerably different to the authentic - just a thought
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I’ve never thought of weighing my batteries… Any idea if there’s data anywhere (maybe from Mooch?) that has genuine battery weights listed?
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na i just thought that it should be pretty much the same for type each since the manufacturing is the same - where a fake could be totally different
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They are listed on https://liionwholesale.com
vtc6 Weight: 46.6g +/-1.5g
vtc5a Weight: 47.1g +/-1.5g
vtc5 Weight: 44.3g
vtc4 Weight: 45.0g +/-1.5g
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always a concern and waved under the carpet
wth, u know i need my makeup
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from mooch:
No way to tell from the picture.
Remove the wrap and see if the top insulating ring is glued on. Yes = fake.
Or compare their performance to known genuine ones.
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They are all generally the same weight, say between 44 and 50 grams, but if you have a few of any variety of battery, check it out. They’ll all generally fall within half a gram of each other, even with widely varied purchase dates. Remember that if you are rewrapping, you have to account for the increased weight of aftermarket wrappers. The counterfeiters used to put a 10350 battery inside an 18650 case, packed in chalk dust, and they were really quite a ways off expected weight. Thank goodness everyone has a nice precision scale around, right?
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Illumns shipping is quick man, I live in Canada and was able to get 8 sony vtc6 delivered to my mailbox in 6 days. They were cheap too, considering that if I bought them at local shops I would be paying 17 bucks a battery, illumn was 6 I think, so roughly 8 dollars Canadian.
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Agreed, always buy from trusted sellers; I would add Liion to the list too.
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Orbtronic as well. When I’m searching for batteries, I usually go from illumn, to Liion to IMRbattereies and Orbtronic. Usually, one of those four will have the batteries I’m looking for on sale.
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they where indeed fake, as two of them died on me after only a month watch out for those with the green sony box.
It seems theres no reliable vendor in my country…
second time it happens and i never left them discharge completely… usa and europe vendors wont ship to argentina,
now im waiting from a friend from germany to bring me some but even so there’s regulations so i cant bring too many
thank you all for the help
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For what its worth, if a person were so inclined, they could go to a hardware store a purchase a replacement battery for any lithium ion drill, and with some effort diassemble it. The effort is by no means trivial, and not without some danger, but generally you will find high discharge batteries like the VTC5, VTC5A, 25R5, or HG2 in them. They generally keep the OEM wrap intact, but given that they are inside the battery, it is a bit of a gamble as to what you would get for you effort. Make sure you are careful about how you disassemble the pack, and use extreme caution pushing the discharge rating unless you are very sure what you have. I’ll say I know this is true for the Makita brand in the USA because I dropped a battery from a scaffold and inside it were the old Samsung 25R2’s, but I did not salvage them for vaping use.
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The weights are including the wrap?
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yes if you look at the site that is their shipping weights
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