Well the guess that the africare vg I linked may be palm, then I would say it is very good. tho I am new to DIY, I have vaped on and off since 2008ish, and of all the liquids I have tried, I have really enjoyed how this vg was when I added it to some pretty nasty tasting 50/50 liquid I had, it is much sweeter than I have tasted in most* other mixes, it is rather thick, tho I don’t have anything to directly compare to at the moment, but I will, and as far as the vape, it definitely made the stuff I put it in much smoother, sweeter, and “silky” mouthful feeling of a vape… Overall I really enjoyed it… Tho there is nothing saying if it is in fact palm lol just speculation at this point lol 
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This place has the palm VG
http://www.bulkvapingsource.com/Products-Vegetable_Glycerin_Palm.html
They do a free simple which would be worth a shot?
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Thank you. !!
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@Amy2
All I can say is I just started vaping juice I made with VG from nicotine river and it is the palm based and there is a difference much smother in my opinion than the same juice using vg from essential depot
I think there is something to this palm based VG question for sure.
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I would love to try it but “palm based” anything in my house causes some major whining. My husband wont buy anything made with palm products because of his issues with cholesterol and my son wont because of the environmental issues with the rain forests. I guess I am wondering if I can get some of it where I know it is sourced out of a place where it’s environmentally managed…
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There was a discussion about this over in the Real Flavors thread. @Walt_RealFlavors talked about the source of their palm-based VG.
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Cool! Thank you!
I’m gonna try it, doesn’t have far to travel lol…
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Palm VG does tend to have a bit more sweetness to it but it is also is bit thinner than Soy, Coconut or Corn based VG. This makes for a lot easier blending!
As for the rain forest you want to make sure your manufacturer follows the Rainforest Alliance standards for sustainable practices. This will give you some peace of mind that the rain forest was not destroyed to create you VG.
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I’m glad it’s thinner. I’m cutting the stuff I have now with water and vodka to thin it out for tank use.
I started out with the Essential Depot VG, and yeah, it is a bit heavier than the Palm based VG, which I got from Liquid Barn…Walt at Real Flavors also uses Palm Based VG for his flavors…Where the Essential Depot is a good vape, it is a bit thicker, the Palm Based VG I get from Liquid Barn is somewhat thinner in its’ consistency…Flows smoother out of my dispensing bottle…I ran a comparison and found that the finished juices made with the Palm Based VG are also a little bit thinner…They wick better in my Aspire Cartomizer with the little BVC replaceable coil…and wick very nicely in my Goblin Mini RTA…
You get a slightly thicker mouth feel with the Essential Depot, and as you pointed out, it is, indeed a heavier vape…and it wicks a little slower than the Palm Based VG
But for me, the Palm Based VG is definitely sweeter, and the best way I can describe the experience is like this…It’s like the difference between drinking tap water (Essential Depot)…and drinking spring water (Palm Based)…There is a bit more clarity to fruits with the Palm and the natural sweetness is not overbearing…It is extremely smooth, and more airy…One of the things I noticed with Walts Real Flavors was the inherent smoothness of the vape, even though I mix 40/60 with either PG based flavors OR the VG based flavors…his flavors (VG based ) do not lead to vapors tongue…Also, I find the flavor lingering in my mouth, nose, and throat a bit longer with the Palm Based VG…even after a nice vape session…and I like that…And you know, Amy, my penchant for mixing at higher flavor %s…
Please don’t misunderstand, cuz I am no “super taster” or whatever, but I do prefer the Palm based VG and just got a gallon of it with a Gallon of PG from Liquid Barn…speaking of which, that Liquid Barn PG is THE cleanest PG I have used to date…Walt at Real Flavors also sells his Palm Based VG, last I heard…but I have no idea what the price is…I know Liquid barn sells gallons and little customizable PG/VG combo packs in smaller bottles for pretty reasonable…I know you are an experimenter Amy, Couldn’t hurt to check the Palm Based VG out… 
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Thanks Doug ! I am kinda looking for something else no offense the ED they’ve been great and it’s still a great product. It just so thick and I want something that well honestly taste a bit cleaner. My %s are getting lower and lower and I am starting to notice the soy based taste more and more. I even experimented over the weekend w/ rite aid Glycerin anhydrous and once again it immediately tasted smoother and silkier and did not carry that same weight ( it is thinned with 0.5% so that immediately helped with wicking as well ) …I feel that weight in my chest ( on inhale ) and it’s well not a comfortable feeling. I know there is something that will fit my needs it isn’t anything wrong with ED it’s just my needs are changing.
I appreciate your input and will look into Walt’s products as well as LB’s.Thank you !
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That is really good to know. I learn something new every day here. I had a taste of some of the commercial vapor the guy down the street sells and it was so clean and crisp it was amazing. I cant wait to play with it.
@Amy2 your needs and how you taste this stuff absolutely does change over time, you are so right. I used to LOVE Pear and I cant stand it anymore.
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Anyone know of a good UK source for palm based VG?
Everything I find is US based and after postage costs it isn’t worth it?
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I did a quick search for Palm based VG in the UK, but nothing turned up…Perhaps it can be found with a more thorough search…Not sure how or where to direct you other than to perhaps check out DIY supply houses in the UK… I also frequent a website based in France, and they are pretty serious about their DIY mixing, so maybe France might be another avenue to check out http://www.lediypourlesnuls.com/recettes-categories/ I hope you find some … Edit: you may need to right click the page/hit Translate… in order to get it to translate into English…
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You’re welcome…Keep me posted…I would be delighted to hear your progress
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Thank you the advice, much appreciated!
Found it strange myself that nothing has shown up in the UK?
As you say maybe France or Germany may throw something up?
Hey look what I found:
There’s a white paper on using Palm Oil in Bio-Diesel Applications. Read what it says about viscosity.
Abstract
Pure palm oil may be employed in diesel engines as an alternative fuel. Engine performance and emissions were influenced by basic differences between diesel fuel and palm oils such as mass based heating values, viscosity, density and molecular oxygen content. The high viscosity of palm oil resulted in poor atomisation, carbon deposits, clogging of fuel lines and starting difficulties in low temperatures. When heated at 100 °C palm oil presented lower viscosity, better combustion and less deposits. Tests were conducted in a naturally aspirated MWM 229 direct injection four-stroke 70 kW diesel-generator fueslled with 100% palm oil.
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The only reason I’m bringing this up… is because it begs the question of whats happening at a molecular level (sorry for the nerd talk)… if I understand this correctly… the reason the stinky butt is so addictive is because the burning leaf molecule is a very small particle. In the lung, that particle attaches to the oxygen molecule easily and “bam” hits your brain fast. The vapor or “steam” particle is bigger and it takes longer for the nicotine attached to it to reach the brain. So that being said with the VG we have all been using, if this palm molecule is bigger or smaller may matter with health because it is the particulate matter in smoke and what we eat that causes our veins to be clogged. Perhaps more importantly - what our lungs are being coated with and how easily the lung is able to cleanse itself of that particulate matter. I don’t know what the answer is but I would very much like to know. I know that Palm Oil is the one my husband avoids for eating because of it’s affect on his cholesterol levels. Anyone who wants to smack me for bringing it up - don’t hit me too hard
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That is an interesting bit of subject matter, and a valid idea to contemplate…and as with Soy based VG made with soy beans of Genetically Modified Organisms ( GMO ) 90% here in the US, I would imagine that research is certainly inevitable…As many inquiries into the safety (in general) of vaping increase, and a looming “regulation” of the E Cigarettes in general, perhaps these questions will be answered…
There are companies now, who are producing “organic” PG as a byproduct from VG…Archer Daniels for one , and Dupont is also in that stratosphere of research and development…Perhaps as the vaping thing continues on its’ path, there will be further information which elucidates some answers that may work to the benefit of safety in our endeavors…
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