Thoughts on the new(er) Flavorah piptip bottles?

[SessionDrummer]

@Sara4

I don’t know why so many companies change things just for the sake of change.

@Sara4 That’s how I felt when I started this thread. @Flavorah was kind enough to come by and drop some enlightenment our way.

@Flavorah

For the record, redesigning the wheel is my job! And because of your feedback and the feedback we get walking around and talking to customers at vape shows like the one I am at now, we will keep doing it. It is the reason we have 8 apple flavors, ±13 tobaccos and a constant pipeline of new flavor releases, all designed to be raw materials for vapor. If we didn’t have this crazy compulsion to redesign the wheel then we would still be vaping beverage syrups and candy/baking extracts. Sorry for getting a little too narrow in focus and not listening earlier about this bottle design.

More apropos: “If it aint broke don’t fix it.” Well, the honest truth is that this glass PipTip bottle is broken, and needs to be fixed. We are going back to the drawing board a bit and will return with a better PET bottle with a tamper evident, child resistant cap.

I was wrapped up and in love with this design because it was different. I want Flavorah to stand out on the shelf and to have a weight in your hand that reminds you that it is something special and precious. It makes me uncomfortable to see what I regard as beautiful paints and colors (flavors) trapped in generic bottles.

In the back of my mind, I have a vision of the future where vape shops have a section for DIY. This PipTip design is the bottle that I wanted to see on their shelves, separated from the 100ml husky/gorilla bottles of ejuice as a product that would beckon to the rookie vaper, “hey, you can really take control of this and bring your vape to the next level. Take personal control of your juice, something you can be proud of. Try DIY!”

[fidalgo_vapes]

@Freddie3

And another perception I see is in reviewing the top 200 flavors used in recipes here. Their first flavor only shows up at #160 - Cream (Flavorah) That’s 7 pages in if you’re clicking though the top 200 used in recipes.

You cant always use the rating system on the recipe page to gauge popularity . The recipes go back to 2015 and the flavors have evolved as well as mixers , when i started mixing 20pct flavoring was the avg , now 10 is that avg . I think FLV and a hand full of mixers were ahead of their time a lot of us are just now catching up and understanding how these flaves work … thats only my opinion , i believe FLV will be more recognized in 2019 … they have always been there just creeping in the background lol @Flavorah will be where TPA and FW were in 2015 / 2016

[Letitia]

Same thing happened with my papaya punch. Luckily the smell is pretty distinctive.

[Freddie3]

@fidalgo_vapes

You cant always use the rating system on the recipe page to gauge popularity

Yes Good Luck to @Flavorah

Im just saying I see what flavorah and all the flavor companies are up against.

And that inexperienced people usually will use the rating system to buy. I didn’t have enough experience or knowledge to do a full blown 1 month web-research project buying flavors.

The first 2 batches I bought were the majority of flavors.

After that I had enough research under my belt to fill in SOME of the good flavors I missed. But by then I had so many flavors. I wasn’t going to be buying a ton more.

So the companies not in the top were not even in the race for my first 2 big buys.

I have plenty of flavors now to last and won’t buy any more (not a big collector here) for a while. And only 3 or 4 are flavorah

until

#1 I use something up
#2 They expire and start tasting funky

But now I have enough experience and knowledge to be HYPER selective so no 1 company gets the majority of my purchasing power.

[Sara4]

This is so awesome that Flavorah responded!!

[netweight]

Good point. Wish i had an answer.

I so screwed up just trying to edit in a quote, lol.

[anon28032772]

Let’s hope you didn’t buy all 30ml concentrates because they’ll last you a bloody long time
I’ve got flavors that are 2 years old and they’re probably just as good as the day I got them.

Many people keep mixing for years, over time, you’ll order some more and you’ll have gained enough experience and knowledge from others here to get better concentrates from different brands. These top brands will change over time.

[Freddie3]

@anon28032772

I’ve got flavors that are 2 years old and they’re probably just as good as the day I got them.

This is the best news Ive heard.

LOl no 30 ml yet

When I order Supplies I can’t resist ordering a few flavors if they pop up as good from certain groups of ppl.

[fidalgo_vapes]

@Freddie3

can’t resist ordering a few flavors if they pop up as good from certain groups of ppl.

we are all guilty of this , ive learned to order the smallest amount possible though

[Sprkslfly]

@anon28032772

I’ve got flavors that are 2 years old and they’re probably just as good as the day I got them.

This is a very dangerous blanket statement.
Because then you give new folks the wrong impression. EG:

@Freddie3

This is the best news Ive heard.

While Suomynona is correct (to some degree), it’s not completely accurate. Nor is it a “complete picture” of what you need to know!

EVERYTHING plays a part. From quality of components used by the manufacturer, to what you store them in (HDPE, PET, Glass), to the Temps in the area you store them, to whether or not they’re subjected to sunlight.

Best practices IMO (and this varies by user, and experience) is to store the highest concentrated flavors in glass, with a phenolic-lined (poly) cap/lid. Stored in a dark place (meaning no sunlight), in 65F or lower. These include FLV, MF, Ina, things like acetyl pyrazine, etc.

ALL flavors can benefit from the above, but some may not like the added expense. If you don’t, or you order small, go through them fast, or order frequently, then it’s not often AS big a deal. But as your collection grows, and especially if you get into more expensive flavors… It pays for itself IMO.

I ordered big with one that I use alot of (FW butterscotch natural), and I found out that that particular flavor didn’t last but a couple months past a year in the PET bottle that I left it in. I only lost 25-30ml’s worth… But it was still a lesson learned. The only way I know this, is because I track the dates I purchased them in my stash notes.

Hopefully this saves you (@Freddie3) and others who are new having to learn the hard way. There’s a lot to this learning curve, but it’s worth learning!

[Freddie3]

@Sprkslfly

Hopefully this saves you (@Freddie3) and others who are new having to learn the hard way. There’s a lot to this learning curve, but it’s worth learning!

Yes @Sprkslfly Rob I had it in the back of my mind I better stop using my super cheap plastic bottles. and upgrade them. Thanks to one of @eStorm 's posts before and now with a second on that wisdom from you Im all in favor for keeping da Flavor. Good and switching bottles.

[anon28032772]

I fully agree with what you say, this is all provided that you store your concentrates in the best way possible… and even then a few concentrates will go bad.
I can’t say I go to extremes to keep them safe from time though. They’re always stored in a drawer at room temperature (and I don’t have any AC for those >30°C days in summer), out of the light, properly closed caps. I also don’t have a lot of super strength concentrates… those will likely benefit from transferring them to glass bottles.
Some concentrates have gone bad (usually because of a crappy cap that doesn’t close as it should), I can’t deny that, but the majority has survived all this time without any noticeable degradation.

[Freddie3]

@Sprkslfly

I ordered big with one that I use alot of (FW butterscotch natural), and I found out that that particular flavor didn’t last but a couple months past a year in the PET bottle that I left it in. I only lost 25-30ml’s worth… But it was still a lesson learned. The only way I know this, is because I track the dates I purchased them in my stash notes.

So these PE bottles are the worst im using. I can get glass bottles pretty cheap at the American Surplus Store close by my place. Unless would you recommed LDPE droppers ok? I guess I dont mind using glass. Just going to have to get use to pipettes.

[Sprkslfly]

@Freddie3

I can get glass bottles pretty cheap at the American Surplus Store close by my place. Unless would you recommed LDPE droppers ok?

I always prefer glass, but again, it’s a personal choice. Use what works for you of course. I’m just trying to help with a few reminders and tips.

Basically, “things to keep in mind” while you are deciding what’s best for you.

[Freddie3]

@Sprkslfly

Basically, “things to keep in mind” while you are deciding what’s best for you.

Protecting the investemnt of course. Thanks much

[mixologist13]

IMO there are many obscure brands that make unique flavors that hit the mark where the top brands have failed.

SimplyFlavor, ViperFlavors, Euroflavors, Olive Nation, Zibelli , NicVape (just to name a few) all make certain flavors that i consider irreplaceable.
Buying only mainstream flavors can limit your creativity.

[Freddie3]

@mixologist13

Buying only mainstream flavors can limit your creativity.

I hear you @mixologist13 I try to keep close to the action. Hopefully find a group to share buy with some items not available at most sites. like from the UK

These are in my shopping cart.

Absinthe (Decadent Vapours)
Dandelion & burdock (vapable)
Sweet Woodruff (Jungle Flavors)
Violet (Flavour Art)