OK I hope this does not piss people off but I’d like feedback possible on this! I have combined my OCD, and brewing experience (anyone brew? This is a SMASH approach!) with AI to formulate a process that teaches me isolated flavors in small batches, in order to formulate a master, initial, series of tobacco recipes. Essentially I’ll be making up a nic base, using it to mix in single flavors I have available, taste these individually and then try to come up with a blend, make a 10ml batch and refine from there. Here is the plan I used AI to make. Like I said might be too much reading or to convoluted for responses so if it gets no replies no worries:
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CUSTOM DRY TOBACCO PROJECT — MASTER PLAN
Solo scouting → intuited blend → BW finishing
OVERVIEW
Stage 1: Taste each flavor alone (4 small batches)
Stage 2: Build ONE 10ml blend from scratch, using your notes and
intuition rather than a series of test blends
Stage 3: Add Bitter Wizard at the very end, once fully steeped,
to dial back sweetness
No formal ratio-testing stage — you’re going straight from “I know
what each flavor tastes like” to “I’ll build the real thing.”
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STAGE 0 — PREP (do these first, before anything else)
NIC BASE — 120ml @ 13.3mg/ml, 50/50 PG/VG
Input: 8 x 10ml salt nic shots, 20mg/ml, 70/30 VG/PG
= 80ml / 1600mg nicotine / 56ml VG / 24ml PG
Add: 4ml plain VG
36ml plain PG
Final: 120ml total | 13.3mg/ml | 50ml VG (50%) / 50ml PG (50%)
Steps: combine all 8 shots in a clean 120ml+ bottle, add the VG,
add the PG, cap, shake well.
LABEL: “NIC BASE | 13.3mg/ml | 50/50 PG/VG | salt | [date]”
This is your carrier for everything below — draw from it as
needed, no further dilution.
BITTER WIZARD TINCTURE — 1 part BW : 9 parts PG
Mix: 1ml FA Bitter Wizard + 9ml plain PG → 10ml tincture
Effect: 10x dilution. 1ml of tincture = 0.1ml of true BW.
Why: raw BW doses at these batch sizes are too small to
measure reliably (0.05-0.13ml). The tincture turns
those into comfortable, controllable volumes.
LABEL: “BW TINCTURE | 1:9 in PG | 1ml = 0.1ml true BW | [date]”
Make this now — it keeps. You won’t need it until Stage 3, but
no reason to wait.
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STAGE 1 — SOLO FLAVOR SCOUTING (4 batches)
Carrier: nic base above, no other diluent. Measure concentrate with
a 1ml syringe; carrier can be measured loosely (10ml syringe).
BATCH A — FA Dark Vapure, 5%
Batch size: 6.0ml
FA Dark Vapure: 0.30ml
Nic base: 5.70ml
Resulting nic: ~12.7mg/ml
LABEL: “DV 5% | scouting | [date]”
BATCH B — FA Burley, 4%
Batch size: 5.0ml
FA Burley: 0.20ml
Nic base: 4.80ml
Resulting nic: ~12.8mg/ml
WARNING: Burley has a known floral/perfume side that can start
to dominate over the tobacco note at higher %. If this batch
reads more “floral” than “tobacco,” that’s real data about this
flavor at this strength, not a mixing error.
LABEL: “BURLEY 4% | scouting | [date] — watch for floral”
BATCH C — Inawera DNB, 3%
Batch size: 6.7ml
Inawera DNB: 0.20ml
Nic base: 6.50ml
Resulting nic: ~12.9mg/ml
NOTE: 3% is already at the top of sane use for DNB — it’s a very
potent, trace-level concentrate. Don’t push this one higher.
LABEL: “DNB 3% | scouting | [date] — strong, do not exceed”
BATCH D — FA Oak Wood, 1.5%
Batch size: 6.7ml
FA Oak Wood: 0.10ml
Nic base: 6.60ml
Resulting nic: ~13.1mg/ml
NOTE: deliberately tested at accent strength, not lead strength.
Wood notes go bitter/varnish-like if overdone — this is testing
whether you like Oak at all, not how strong you can push it.
LABEL: “OAK 1.5% | scouting | [date] — accent level”
CAUTION: Batches C and D use very similar carrier volumes
(6.50ml vs 6.60ml) — label bottles BEFORE drawing liquid into
them, not after, to avoid mixing them up.
TASTING — STAGE 1
- Let all 4 batches steep at least 3 days before judging
- Taste ~1ml of each in the Xros pod
- For each, note: clean/recognizable or muddy/chemical; how
sweet it reads; toasted vs. raw/green; would you want more or
less of it in a blend - Ignore sweetness as a pass/fail factor at this stage — you’re
characterizing the flavor, not judging the final profile.
BW comes later and can fix sweetness on an otherwise-good
blend.
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STAGE 2 — THE REAL BLEND (10ml, from scratch)
Once you know what each flavor tastes like alone, build a single
10ml batch directly — no intermediate test blends. Use your
Stage 1 notes plus general tobacco-recipe shape (one lead flavor,
one support flavor, accents at low %) to intuit proportions.
Optionally skim a few published tobacco DIY recipes for a sense
of typical lead/support/accent ratios — you won’t find this exact
flavor combination, but the general shape transfers.
Mix the full 10ml batch (concentrates + nic base, same method as
Stage 1) using whatever %'s you’ve decided on for DV / Burley /
DNB / Oak.
LABEL: “FINAL BLEND v1 | DV_% / Burley_% / DNB_% / Oak_% | [date]”
(fill in the actual %'s you use)
IMMEDIATE TASTE — sanity check only, not a verdict. Catches a
true disaster (one flavor totally drowning the others, an obvious
clash) before you commit to a full steep. If something’s clearly
wrong, fix it now rather than waiting two weeks to find out.
FULL STEEP: 10-15 days. Tobacco/multi-flavor blends like this
one need the longer end of typical steep times, not the 3-10
days that simpler fruit/sweet mixes get away with.
Optional sanity re-check around day 3-5 (not a judgment, just
confirming nothing’s gone obviously wrong — separated, smells
off, etc.). Otherwise leave it alone until the full steep is done.
Resist tasting more than these two checkpoints — it won’t speed
anything up and can make you second-guess a profile that’s still
mid-transition.
REAL TASTE at day 10-15. This is your actual verdict on the
blend, sweetness and all.
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STAGE 3 — BITTER WIZARD FINISHING
Do this AFTER the full 10-15 day steep, once you’ve judged the
blend on its own merits and know it’s otherwise good but too
sweet.
Using the BW tincture (1ml tincture = 0.1ml true BW), dose into
the fully steeped 10ml blend:
1% true BW → 1.0ml tincture
1.5% true BW → 1.5ml tincture
2% true BW → 2.0ml tincture
Start at 1%, taste, add more in small tincture increments if
needed. (Adding tincture adds a small amount of volume, diluting
everything else slightly — negligible at these amounts, no need
to compensate.)
LABEL: “FINAL BLEND v1 + BW % | [date added]”
REST 2-3 days after adding BW before judging — the balancing
effect isn’t fully settled immediately.
FINAL TASTE — this is the actual answer.