BWAHAHAhahaha I’m crying right now!
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I don’t think it’s a specific single cream flavour you’re refering to, but rather a blend of flavours and additives that when layered correctly can work together to enhance the resulting mix.
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Perhaps it’s Vanillin ?
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My guess would be Capella’s Vanilla Custard. There are certainly a LOT of choices out there, but I would guess that VC is in most things that are called “premium”. (Oh, and V1 for sure!)
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I agree. Either some Cap VC1, or one of the usual creams plus 1 - 2% Vanillin.
I opened one of my stocked ANML Looper bottles today, after finishing a kilo… While working & vaping on some mixes same time, I agree that there’s something that rounds and smoothens flavors, causing them to “blend” nicely plus a dose of swteetener.
My guess was cotton candy EM, so I’m adding it to my next TPA order to try (and Marshmallow too). Add the creamy thick vanilly feel. I already have a sweetener but not too fond of it. I can then play with these 3
I saw that a lot of the good clones have these in them, so maybe these are the “secret spices” …
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…but only the hair that hangs over her breasts…
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I think I may of had armpit hair on the odd occasion…has a distinct ‘beefy’ aftertaste…
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Beefy…not fishy?
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armpit hair Ozo…armpit hair!..
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i dont think so either , i think the purity of a clean room helps with everything and these guys use stuff like saline and tons of sucralose to me its watered down sugar water lol the stuff ive tried lately anyway but i highly doubt there is a special cream i also think most of these big manufacturers are using Cap Tpa and fw they are the cheapest and the most well known i highly doubt they combine as many different manufacturers as we do it just wouldnt make since , they arent buying 4oz bottles they are buying barrels
dont get me wrong there is some good main stream juice out there but the real premium juice comes from diy imo just imagine a clean environment to work in the juice we make would be alot better tasting
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i tested couple of additions yesterday to 2 mixes that weren’t as expected - both gave amazing results
1 - added some diluted lemon juice
2 - on another mix (of honeydew & berry cream that was too “blunt”) added some lychee zero-nic juice that i had lying around (10 drops to 10ml)
in both cases, the added flavor was totally hidden - but it caused my originally mixed flavors to become smoother and somehow pop-out. the lychee juice can be vaped on its own and tastes like icy sweet tomato - i liked it at one point - as an alternative to menthol - that i bought 5 x30mls and kept them stored - it’s made in Malaysia and relatively cheap
interesting how these tweaks changed my mix flavor profile - without overwhelming it… also in both cases, that peppery DIY taste went away.
very excited to try other additives like the Marshmallow and Cotton Candy, which i still haven’t ordered yet - but just wanted to share this interesting test with you. i think the premium juice makers have many of these secret spices and additives up their sleeves (beside too much sweeteners :))
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Nice work @TheFlavorSeeker Lemon juice has been mentioned before, but I’m wondering what delivers the result and wondering if natural lemon juice might be a little too “natural” (contain some sugar). Citric Acid tastes just like lemon (Koolaid powder) and can be bought at Walmart next to the canning jars (used for canning tomatoes). 8 oz of powder is like $3, and would make a ton of PG solution and have no “natural” contents. Also available from Vendors.
Lychee has also been mentioned and is available as a CAP flavoring used for this exact reason in existing recipes http://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/8953 (read “recipes” below in this link). I like the idea of getting Lychee as a juice from the source, but have same concerns re: “natural” contents of a juice …interesting. Clearly there would need to be several of these type enhancers.
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I very recently learned about “FA Magic Mask” & “TFA Smooth”:
FA Magic Mask
“Reduce the acid perception without modifying the pH.
pH is one of the key factors involved in food stability.
In order to reduce the pH, a small amount of organic acid must be added to the food preparation (i.e. citric, malic, tartaric acid).
In most cases the addition of food acid is beneficial both for microbiological stability and taste ( just think to an lemon or cola drink, they must be acid to be good ).
However, someother foods might require food acid for microbiological safety BUT the acid taste does not complement well ( a light cheese, a sauce as example).
In this case, the use of Magic Mask can be of help.
Magic Mask does not buffer the pH, nor alter it.
Magic Mask acts at the tongue receptors level, temporarily reducing the acid perception, thus improving the overall mouth feel.
Its action last 5-8 seconds and involve only the acid receptors.
Recommended dosage is 1 up to 3 grams for Kg food.
When comparing products with and without Magic Mask, the food with Magic Mask must be tasted as second. Give it a try.”
TFA Smooth:
“A flavor smoothener that is useful to use in concert with other flavors- “Smooth” will round out any harsh edges and provide a thick, satisfying mouthfeel. It will soften the high notes of your blend while boosting your background notes.
*** Note: some, but not all customers report that the smell has a fruity aspect.”
Maybe someone with experience of these can comment?
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thanks @BoDarc. just clarifying
in the first case, what i used is a PG-based Lemon “cooking” flavor - it’s not as concentrated as TPA or FA. it’s sold here in the local market and is used for juice and food flavoring, no coloring. Artifical Flavoring + PG is what’s written on the bottle. i diluted it further with a PG/VG 30/70 mix. think i had 20% lemon to 80% PG/VG - it’s very “weak” but still pleasant to vape on it’s own
in the 2nd case, the Lychee is already an eliquid - 0 Nic - made by a company called Phoenix
i’m looking forward to my next TPA order - already added Lychee, Dragon Fruit, Marshmallow, Cotton Candy (EM) and will add Lemon flavors in the shopping basket - @Grubby, guess i’ll pass on the Magic Mask and Smooth - i didn’t like some of the feedback in other threads on these
i also recently started experimenting with adding 2% Vanilla Bean Ice Cream to fruit mixes. smoothes them nicely - but adds to steeping time. all good learning… i feel like in primary school again 
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I have found that out of all the Mothers milk clones I have tried, the ones with VBIC definitely have a better mouth feel, almost velvety, really interested in the Lemon cooking flavour though…
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This Thread is all about cracking the friggin’ code. Info also critical deciphering clones. I almost thought of starting a new thread, but I decided my idea fits right here. I think many members have that Holy Grail clone …a couple tests steeping in the closet? …version 16 of some uncrackable commercial Juice no one else has been able to clone/post to the DIY Community either?
I had a dream …yeah I know weird, but in it was a process for cracking the code! I’m going to call it “Picking the Flavor Lock”. Recent convos on the Forum and in IRC have been about how two flavors can become one, making them undecipherable in simple taste testing. This is how locks work. All the pins work against you until they all line up, so how do you apply this to Juice cloning? How can you line up each pin?
For the folks with a closet full of clone attempts …you are sure you know FlavorX is in JuiceC…“I got it 80%!” See? you think you have 4 of the 5 pins correct but the final flavor eludes …you buy more flavors …more tests …but what if one of the 80% is wrong? You’ll never get pin #5
My process is about validating the 80%. If you in fact had 4 out of 5 right you could more likely succeed. I also think you could use this to totally crack any juice from the start (!) I’m keeping to this thread because #5 could be simply saline or coconut or white chocolate or lemon juice …you get the idea. OK here it is “Picking the Flavor Lock” hope it makes sense.
Step #1 buy your commercial target juice.
Step#2 Start with a nice clean re-wicked RDA (dripper) and add a small amount of that commercial juice.
Step#3 This is the tricky part. Make some small amounts (10mls) of your known flavors (that 80%?) with your standard base, like a single flavor tester. You may already have these, and steeped SFTs would be ideal. Concentration for these testers? Just follow your own Single Flavor Test %s (3-5%?) depending on the flavor. One flavor at a time, add a drop or two to that commercial target loaded RDA and vape. This testing is about discerning how each test flavor moves the flavor meter.
Step#4 So you think this recipe has Dragonfruit? by adding a drop of diluted Dragonfruit to your loaded RDA you should notice either a slight flavor change or a dramatic one. If by adding a small amount of Dragonfruit you radically tilt the flavor …your guess is likely incorrect. If the flavor only gets moved a small amount …you are probably correct …just like picking a lock.
Step#5 Vape that RDA close to dry, reload with your commercial juice (see why I recommended using a little?), and repeat with Guess #2 #3 #4 and see how those other flavors “move the needle” I think this may also help to expose some of those hidden flavor pairs, similar to what people have experienced changing temp and wattage, or vaping down to the dry hit. The concept is you are tapping at each pin (flavor!) and knowing if you’re closer or farther using the original lock.
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I like this idea! You just might be onto something.
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Zillion likes to you @BoDarc for sharing this “lock picking” technique. great learning for a newbie like me. thank you.
here’s another thought - cloning is a very advanced level in mixing, i guess - how about, if you like - or think you like - a certain flavor - say a certain ice cream, or for me, home-made vanilla custard or the classic “cream caramel” - and you decide you want to create a vaping recipe that “simulates” it as an eliquid - what would be some of the tricks you should know and do?
i guess most of us who start vaping, go that route. i think i like blueberry ice cream, I get online, buy some flavors, wait excitedly for the shipment, start mixing, and then, booom, the shock ! i’m sooo OFF:)
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aaand do you even have a Unicorn…
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