Dude, someone ONCE told me here, a LOOOONG time ago. RMPL (Read More, Post Less).
You’re conflating NUMEROUS things at the same time.
PG is, hands down, the best CARRIER for flavors. That is what you eluded to.
Steeping, Homogenizing, whatever you want to call it NEEDS to occur, not matter WHAT your base carriers are, what your carrier is for the flavor, even what final PG/VG mix you use.
If you have a 5 year old flavor in a bottle, and mix it with numerous OTHER flavors, PG, VG, NIC, they all need to Steep with each OTHER.
VG is NOT a great carrier, and it can take a lot longer for heavy VG mixes to Steep/Homogenize, than higher PG. Think LESS about the age or steeped-ness of the individual flavor, and MORE about the entire MIX.
BUT, people do increase the PG ratio in juice for the purpose of making the juice more flavourful right?
I mean it’s globally accepted that a higher % of PG in a juice will mean more flavour, so has that been shown to be wrong?
It’s a very important distinction to make, because if PG is only good as a carrier of suspended flavouring, then the well established knowledge that it’s better for flavour than VG has to be wrong since it can’t improve flavour if flavour cannot even permeate the liquid.
If it does permeate the PG though, then it really IS at least as much about the PG as the VG, and my original question was only “Why doesn’t it steep inside the PG it comes shipped in”
If PG cannot hold steeped flavouring like VG does, that means everything we know about mixing bases is completely wrong and PG serves no purpose in juice other than throat hit.
People increase PG to thin. Thinning helps wicking faster.
PG in a mixing agent (a carrier) for flavor. VG gives you your vapor.
Think of PG like paint. Paints are a solid. Water breaks down those solids and carrie’s the paint pigments. At the factory they add thicker to to the water pigments mix to make a better adhereance to roller or brush and give better coverage. Think of the thickener as VG. Too thick and the paint is difficult to work with.
Not really. I’m sure a FEW do, but the majority of times, it’s done to thin the mix for smaller pod based systems.
Because PG IS a better carrier, as compared to VG, but it isn’t a GUARANTEE that you will have more flavor. If that was the case, guess what. We’d all be vaping 100% PG juices. But, were’ not. There’s PLENTY of flavor to be had, in extremely high VG level juices. I know, because I vape them.
NO clue what you’re trying to say here. PG IS a better carrier. Period. No further conversation needs to be had on that point.
Again, you’re kind of all over the road map here. We don’t typically consider a flavor to be steeping by itself. Technically it does, but more correctly, the flavor would be oxidizing. From my point above. You need to stop worrying/thinking about a SINGLE flavor steeping in it’s own bottle. Steeping/homogenizing is for the SUM of your ingredients.
LOL, Love you man, but I have no clue what you are talking about.
I can’t tell if you’re genuinely confused, or intentionally confused.
It’s not that complicated @Guido_Possum. PG is a superior carrier. VG is not. BOTH will steep/homogenize, and at different rates. You MAY get some increased flavor in PG heavy mixes, but it’s not a guarantee. VG heavy mixes, take LONGER to steep, but in no way does that mean they do not, they do.
The BIGGEST single issue with PG, is people who are PG sensitive, or who have allergies relating to it.
Let’s assume for a moment that higher PG ratio does provide more flavor
The problem is: #1- PG gives a harsher throat hit #2- Pg has less viscosity
Mixing e liquids is about finding a happy median, today’s modern sub-ohm tanks work best (no leaking) with higher VG,
If you enjoy the harsh throat hit and want to drip at 50/50, by all means go for it,
I like my mixes at 30% PG in winter and 20% in summer, I do not adjust flavor percentages due to VG is less viscous in warmer months
It’s also a situation compounded by many variables. Amount of power, atty that is being used, whether the user prefers MTL or DL, etc.
Again, because PG is a better (thinner) carrier.
And the rest of the non-vaping world tends to believe the lies that vaping is just as (or almost as) harmful as smoking is.
Numbers don’t make something true.
I can only try to inform you of the facts.
It’s entirely up to you whether or not you choose to believe it.
Again, there are several good threads here that have covered this in depth, so I won’t argue.
Yeah I’ve never liked PG in my juice and always keep it as low as possible.
Hell, I don’t add anything since the flavours + the nic bases are PG suspended, so I certainly wasn’t singing praise for PG.
Started with my asking why flavourings don’t steep in the bottles they come in, since they’re in PG or (less commonly) VG when they’re made and shipped.
From there, I got a lolz u dunno haha PG sucks haha it’s never been about PG", which made me wonder, since I’ve read for years online that PG holds steeped flavours better than VG and on all the forums, reddit, articles and guides it’s always been said by vapers that higher PG liquids are better for flavour - the implication always being the steeped molecules are held better by PG and the fact it’s thinner just moves the liquid to the coil a bit better.
Then, well, I stopped worrying by about the forth out-of-context reply that veered so far away from the first question, they’re now replies to a question I never asked.
Think of it like this:
Flavor in PG is already at its saturation point.
When that is mixed with VG it takes longer to mix with the VG. The more VG the longer it takes.
On the other hand, if you took two mixes, and wanted to achieve the same level of flavor (in a fully “steeped” mix), then let’s say:
In an 80vg mix, you might need 6% flavor.
in a 50vg mix, you might only need 3% flavor to achieve the same perception of “amount of flavor”.
It’s not that you’re actually getting more flavor. 6% is 6% whether it’s in 80/20 or 50/50. But the perception is different.
It’s not that it can’t penetrate the VG, but the process is different.
Hence the use of heat by some (it thins the mix, so it mixes better), and the use of the Game Changer (mixes by mechanical force, instantly, so there’s no wait time).
LOL good point @Sprkslfly. I can’t tell if he thinks that VG KILLS flavor or not. Whether something is a good CARRIER or not, is ONE thing, but that doesn’t mean that simply by using VG, there will be NO flavor !!!
I keep trying to make the point, that just because VG homogenizes slower than PG, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t carry, or provide flavor.
Anyone with moderator abilities around here still? This whole PG derail might like a new home in a steep thread! Glad you guys came to a soft landing! @woftam ?
It was here two nights ago with a similar pic; making simple single-line replies to the top half dozen latest post activity, but two nights ago the bots bio summary listed “Vaping, movies and working out” as it’s hobbies aand interests.
Not even a good or clever bot.
@rommroma557 at least send us your latest version geesh
