I haven’t tried MF Coffee yet but I’ve read that it is well received. I’ve been using Wonder Flavor’s Brazilian Coffee and that has been working quite well for me.
Coffee has more than a few toxicology issues. But artificial coffee substitutes have much more! Actually you would be better off vaping your own extracts made from real beans as I did above vrs any commercial vape product, as those products are probably formulated from “coffee substitutes” to get around the perishable nature of natural coffee flavor, which is highly reactive and degrades’ fast after extraction from a roasted bean.
I would want to run any “commercial coffee vape juice” through a MS before I vaped it! You would be looking for carcinogenic agents like acrylamide: here from the US NIH TOXNET Database is this:
“Due to the high acrylamide levels demonstrated in coffee substitutes, recommended amounts should be defined and manufacturers should be obliged to reduce such levels in these products.”
Before you vape anything you might want to search the database here:.
Free access article discussing the cell toxicity of eliquid flavouring
Yes I get a good buzz. The chemistry of that is probably pretty interesting, as caffeine is only soluble by weight at 0.77 in PG… That is a very low rate, so the caffeine must be entering into the PG liquid though different mechanisms. -I think I know how that is occurring, but will spare everyone six pages of description
as to the other part of your question about the sad state of affairs on commercial coffee vape juice see my post above. There is a perishability problem. And anyway, commercial vape concentrate suppliers like what we have access to are not “making” anything anyway. Their business model is that of a high precision commercial mixer, just like someone in the business of making house paint. They buy bulk raw pure chemicals and then mix them. The last thing in the world they are interested in is solving difficult problems like coffee extractions. If they can not buy it as a ’ ready to go reagent precursor’ then they are not interested in the least. If you want to see exactly what goes on behind the scenes at a business that makes vape concentrates I highly recommend pbasardos tour of FA. -Part 1 and Part II
That seems like a pretty bold statement, unless you have a point of reference to support it…
Definitely some interesting (and new to me) information in your post though, and I appreciate it!
BTW, I’m a purist. There IS NO substitute for real coffee IMO.
yes I do,… see my post above about the FA tour.
I’ll have to go back and watch those!
I don’t remember “triggering on” anything even remotely close to coffee in those. (And that’s something that usually grabs my attention like a bird dog lol)
But, then again, I’ve slept since then. Strong chance I’ve forgotten. sigh
Anyways, appreciate your insights!
Yeah @Sprkslfly maybe just focus on drinking an actual cuppa whilst vaping for the best experience. Capturing the volatiles in coffee that drive our fascination is probably harder that capturing Aliens in a Mason Jar …oh sorry wrong forum
Thank you. What an informative post…again.
Exactly. They’re brewing a cup …running it through the Spec …then comparing the list of 10,000 compounds found in a cup o’ roasted beans to the current list of chemical inventory and synthesizing an approximate coffee flavor …some much better than others. The topic re: Medicine Flower is they are branded as the company that actually/exclusively performs flavor extractions and therefore the most realistic/natural. I’m not the guy to ask about that, and the above is more of an impression from reading here (ELR) than actual fact.