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Koolada TPA


#1

Ok I’ve wondered long enough. What is Koolada? Is it a menthol or … ?
And yes before anyone suggests, I did a search of the forum posts. I’ve read that it acts as a cooling agent (whatever that means) but no where, that I could find anyway, does anyone say if it is or isn’t a menthol. Since I’m starting to mix up my summer (warm weather) recipes I’d like to give them a cooler taste but don’t want to ad menthol.


#2

It has no taste, just the cold bite of menthol. I prefer .5 - .75 %.


#3

Pretty much what Underanne said, its a tasteless menthol. Literally, no taste, just the cooling effect.

“intense lingering cooling trigeminal effect. the cooling sensation slowly but steadily grows to a lin…”

http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=15621

That’s all that was on TPA’s MSDS page, I wish I knew what the rest of the sentence was…


#4

Thanks Anne :sunglasses:


#5

FA has their own version called Polar Blast which is nice also.


#6

TPA Koolada uses the chemical compound koolada-3 while FA Polar Blast uses L-menthyl lactate and WS-3 (N-Ethyl-p-menthane-3-carboxamide).

I wonder what the differences are between the two in perception/ mouth-feel. I am sure neither have any taste but it is curious that the FA version doesn’t have any koolada in it. Unexpected.


#7

The CAS number for what TPA calls “koolada-3” (at “>=10% and <50%”) refers to WS-3 - the same stuff that’s used at 7% in FA Polar Blast.

I’ve not seen L-menthyl lactate used in any other vaping ingredient but from the chemical formula I’d expect it to be another ‘super-freeze’-type compound.

No idea whereabouts you’re based but the cooling agent that’s popular in Europe right now is WS-23 (CAS 51115-67-4, C10 H12 N O).


#8

it’s not a menthol… in small percentages (0 .5 - 1.0%) it just adds a cool fresh feeling in the taste…
although it doesn’t have a taste on it’s own…just careful to not don’t overuse (i would say… i would suggest not use over 1,5% MAX in any case)

when it’s overused usually mutes other flavors, while leaving a somewhat “slimy” taste… (i learnt that by the hard way) :stuck_out_tongue: lol
in general i would say not waiting to pop up other flavors as well like menthol does…
works great with fuits and beverages in general :slight_smile:

PS:
i haven’t tried to use any other koolada flavor than tpa b.t.w.
if you want to try kinda a different “mentholish” flavor i would say try “Wintergreen” by Tpa… (not sure if there is another company making that thing)


#9

Hey Bath! Is the WS-23 molecularly similar to WS-3? I’m allergic to koolada and have been trying to find something similar but different, if that makes sense. :wink: Does the WS-23 have a brand name or somewhere that I could buy it over on this side of the big water to try it out?


#10

All these cooling compounds look pretty close but I’ve no idea whether an allergy would be connected to a specific formula or everything that’s similar.

WS-3 - C13 H25 N O - TPA Koolada
WS-23 - C10 H12 N O - adds a ‘freeze-effect’ similar to some Malaysian juices
WS-5 - C15 H27 N O3 - a super-strength Koolada, I think

I’ve not found any brands for WS-23 although I think it’s the main constituent of SuperVape’s CyberFresh 2.0 which is available from several French retailers.

I believe that two UK retailers (DripHacks and Chefs Flavours) obtained their stocks from different chemical supply companies as it seems that they’re very different strengths / potencies - which, as you can imagine, poses ‘interesting’ problems for recipes!

There’s a chance that John Grefe of Congrevape has managed to track some down to do some taste-testing but probably your best bet is to hassle Kimberly at OSDIY to add a small quantity to her next one-shot order from Chefs…


#11

Great idea. I didn’t realize she ordered from Chef’s. I love OSDIY and hate that I don’t buy from there more often. She’s great. :smiley:


#12

I love a few of OSDIY’s blends - I’m vaping a concoction using Lotta Latte right now!

The admins from VHM kinda pushed the two retailers together from both sides of the Atlantic at the end of last year and I think sales are good at either end.

OSDIY are stocking a small selection of Chefs’ top-selling one-shots plus a couple of UK-made concentrates (including the delicious Devon Cream) not otherwise available in the States.


#13

I don’t know what it is but I know I quit using it and exclusively use Capella Cool Mint at about 5%. The menthol and koolada wreak havoc on coils and not awesome on the lungs if you vape heavy.


#14

Hi bv :slight_smile:
Bit of a necro, but may I ask how you knew that Polar Blast has 7% WS-3 / Menthol Carboxamide ?


#15

They are listed as ingredients in an MSDS that appears to originate from FlavourArt Italy.

I can’t attach a pdf but this is a partial screen capture:
pdf


#16

I’m so bummed about this. I finally caved and bought the Polar Blast hoping it wasn’t the same as koolada. :frowning: I haven’t tried it yet so maybe I won’t have the same problems with it that I had with koolada. :confused:


#17

If FA Polar Blast doesn’t agree with you, try some WS-23 (now available from ECX).


#18

What I have read (i don’t remember right now where) is that Koolada actual is Menthol in PG warmed for several hours, that makes Menthol flavorless.


#19

Yeah, I’ve been wanting to try that one as well. I’ll get around to it eventually, I just haven’t made an order with ECX in awhile. It’s on my shortlist though.


#20

I recently purchased one because the tp koolada wasn’t really giving me what I wanted. Just tried the ws-23 in a few recipes. I’ll review in a week.