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And completely incorrect - your VaporBase might be 3mg/ml but your juice (including 14% flavouring) will be just 2.58mg/ml.
Please explain why you won’t sell just plain PDO to mixers who have no interest in your ‘making it simple’ philosophy?
That’s why I plan on getting the 6% nic VB and adding VG
I totally agree! I believe PDO has some great potential to help those that are PG sensitive but I would rather buy PDO separate and not as a 1 blend fits all mix because the bottom line is it does not.
After experimenting over the past week I can now tell you I do not like how thin this is. I will continue to try and find a source for just the PDO.
I am saying this because I have had leaking issues with my tanks I have used for over 1 year now with MAX VG and no leaking issues.
So for now I will be sticking with my max VG blends.
EDIT: I should add that I have also noticed a lot of liquid build up (flooding from sitting overnight) in my wick upon first vape in the morning and I am not interested in learning new wicking techniques to use this blend.
And the new is wearing off…
I will add my thoughts on my experience thus far.
I haven’t had any issue concerning the viscosity.It is much thinner than the mix I was using that included Essential Depots VG. I have used the Vapor Base almost exclusively since the beginning of the week.
I have used the mix in the Aromamizer V1 , Boreas ,Ohmega Alpha BFT ,and the VCMT 25mm and 30mm tanks.I always have a little leak after filling on the Boreas ,Ohmega , and the VCMT but no more than when I was using Max VG with my previous base.I always use rayon and I pack my wicking tighter than most ,I am sure that has helped avoid the leaking as mentioned by @wvsanta .
I must admit I had my reservations about trying Vapor Base because of not being able to easily dial in my usual nicotine strength.After using a 3mg base in four mixes now with a decent variation of flavoring totals 8.0%- 18.0% , I can honestly say that I can’t tell a difference but I am sure others will. I have decided that I can live with my juices ranging from 2.5 -2.8 mg. in nicotine strength.Luckily I am able to vape while on the job so unlike others that have to wait for a break or an appropriate time the minor nicotine that I am missing is hard to gauge.
My thoughts on the taste of Vapor Base. I am very impressed with how the four mixes have turned out within the past week.I can’t say that I have experienced anything negative from using it thus far.I think it has helped boost the flavor of all four mixes , all of the four included Real Flavor flavorings.I will test mix a few this weekend of ones using Caps and TPA and see if it works as well.I will be having to use less flavor % for the RF ones , I previously was using 10-12% for single flavors and can see easily that 8% now with VB may be too strong.
I have read others thinking it was muting certain flavors , I have no doubt that they were correct.I really believe we are going to have to retest flavors individually to be certain.IIRC , I think I read a post while researching about one of the uses of1,3 PDO was to eliminate bitterness.If that is the case this may not work at all on some recipes.
Even though I am very happy and will continue to use Vapor Base I would also like to be able to find a supplier for 1,3 PDO in order to try different ratio’s just to see what is possible.
This is my 2 week steep follow up on my previous review. Let me remind you the 2 flavors I had tested was FA Oba Oba and RF Bread Pudding. While I was amazed and pleased with the enhanced and strong flavors at the 24 hour mark, unfortunately I have to say that time has not been kind to either of these mixes.
I tried them both again today, which is just past the 2 week steep. Both of the flavors were extremely muted. Where I thought before that I would need to decrease the flavoring percentage used, now it tasted like it is wayyyyy to low. They were almost flavorless.
I haven’t given up, I am going to retry them at the 4 week mark. As well as the other 2 more complex recipes hat are steeping. However, I also am still not liking how thin it is. As said previously, I prefer 30/70. Before mixing, the base itself seems slightly thinner than that. By the time I add my flavorings, it is way too thin. That doesn’t bother me as much as the dryness though. After steeping, I have found it to produce a very very dry feeling vape, and actually dehydrates my mouth much worse than normal vaping. I am thinking it’s because of the higher amount of PDO it contains though, as I’m sure it is as dehydrating as regular PG. That is one (not the only) of the reasons I normally vape 30/70, as it seems to give me a bit wetter vape than 50/50 blends.
At this point, I really do hope it improves with further steeping and the flavor comes back and the dryness improves. But I am glad I am still on my free sample and haven’t actually spent money on it yet without further testing. I do still remain hopeful, and would love to experiement further, but like a lot of you state, only if I can order the PDO by itself. Or customize the Vapor Base to my preferred ratio, as this is definitely not hitting that 30/70 feel or vicscosity that is implied.
I am in no way trying to bash this company either, but I can’t help but express some concerns either. As all us weight mixers were searching for the weights on this, the company was unable to provide it as they mix by volume and their scale only reads 2 decimals. They have all the appropriate test reports listed on their website. However, companies receive SDS and COA’s on their chemicals when ordered. So I am unsure why @Vaporbase did not refer to the MSDS sheet from their PDO supplier to find the specific gravity of PDO to enable the math to calculate weights? They state their ingredients are pharmaceutical grade on their website, so that info should be very easily accessible. I would hope that a company would have those verifications as well as extensive knowledge of the products they use before using them as well. I was also surprised that a company that sells products to diy mixers was not aware that quite a percentage of us mix by weight? It bothers me that the targeted customers are either eliquid manufacturers or diy mixers, but they are not aware of something as common and discussed as mixing by weight as well as volume?
Please don’t take offense at all Evan, I am just expressing some things that confused me, and I am taking advantage of your invitation to ask questions.
I will update again at the 4 week steep mark, hopefully with better results, as quite a few of us need a fix for our PG sensitivity.
My thoughts are if @VaporBase were to sell PDO by itself I would no doubt switch to that instead of using PG because I am more sensitive to PG than most people are.
I also think this way, about what they are doing. There trade secret blend does not take a rocket scientist to figure out given we know the weight of VG, PDO and Vapor Base. That being said it may be to there long term benefit to sell PDO only to those that want to blend there own.
I suspect it will not be long before someone else jumps in and fills that need. Larger customer base equates to larger sales and larger profits.
For now anyway my 10/90 PG/VG blend will just have to work for me.
That is why I mentioned the MSDS earlier in this thread. Seems very strange to me also that they did not know this information.
Just wanted to point these quotes out here to make sure everyone does not need to go back and look to figure out what @MysticRose has so graciously asked them to answer.
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Assuming that the 1,3-Propanediol used in VaporBase is Zemea, DuPont Tate & Lyle’s product sheet and MSDS both state the SG is 1.053 (their Physical Properties pdf mentions 1.055 but I suspect that’s an error).
Thanks to @Kinnikinnick for posting these links way back in this thread:
Zemea Product Sheet - http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/sites/default/files/Zemea%20USP%20NF-Product%20Data%20Sheet%200815.pdf
Zemea Physical Properties - http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/sites/default/files/PhysicalProperties-Zemea%20USP-NF%200815.pdf
Allow me to do a little Devil’s Advocacy. Don’t take it as disagreement. We all have valid reasons to jump aboard the VaporBase train (or not). I see some problems especially if the speeding up of steep times also equals a speed up in expiration dates for Commercial eJuice hopes …but that doesn’t apply to me. And is still not a solid fact.
Many Thanks to @MysticRose! If anything this gives folks important testing criteria for themselves. My proposed tests are still weeks/months out (using 6mg VB + ~45% VG and taking advantage of quick steep times then adding the VG post-steep) which could improve shelf life (untested). Benefiting from shorten steep time, while adding back the viscosity (and clouds!).
A main issue for me is having high concentrations of Nic around the house and personal exposure. I am also patience-challenged and cutting steep times sounds awesome. It’s doubtful any juice I make will last two weeks 
…working on that. I’m sure once I am re-setup I will have sh*ttons of juice and patience won’t be such an issue.
So all the things I hold as “pros” (vs cons) are imaginary, but if real will drive my decision to jump on the Train. My testing of straight VB was positive, and was impressed by the Nic quality, but this is about the bigger picture of total DIY.
On not “knowing” the weight. As stated above, once we know the weight of VB we can calculate the rest, and the Cat is out of the proverbial bag. Chemistry is a bitch like that. If someone can do a test out to three decimal places… Easy to see why they didn’t reveal immediately (shh 'sposed to be a secret).
I’m still on for my tests, and I may buy some while the discount is good any way, but grateful for test results and promise to submit mine soon as possible. As I am trying to avoid work may just squeeze in some today. I can’t stop thinking about it …so interesting.
You make some very good and valid points. But please remember my testing and results are just 1 person, and it takes many to form a real picture of a product. We have the main factor of everyone’s tastes being subjective. Then add in everybody has different vaping preferences, preferred PG/VG ratios, rda’s vs tanks, temp control vs wattage, mtl vs dl, low wattage vs high wattage. The list is endless with any possible outcomes.
My opinions are just one, and we will all need many more before any can make fully informed decisions. Alas, this is just my opinion…lol 
…eagerly awaiting the 4 week review
Hey @MysticRose
So I was looking along at the same kind of findings… but with a twist… my French Vanilla Cappuccino hit three weeks (and a couple of days)… so I decided to try some comparisons.
One of my favorite ADVs is a clone of Jimmy the Juiceman’s Strawberry Astronaut… Strawberry, Apricot and Mango. I remember I made a 30ml batch in my usual VG/PG/Nic (I call it my pre-VB period) and another 30ml batch in VB… there was a definite muting of the Strawberry in the VaporBase compared to the pre-VB mix.
Welp, then I remember two batches of RealFlavor’s Strawberry Milkshake the same way… here’s the rub:
The VB flavoring showed some muting… but not as drastic as the PG flavoring with the JTJM clone… I’m going to do a little more testing with similar recipes of single flavors with PG and VG flavorings. But it looks to me (initially) that PG flavoring may be affected more by time than VG flavoring.
Let me get some batches done here and I will do a comparison. @VaporBase - this is still a good product and I will continue to use it, initial findings are a bit sketchy yet, but let us help you out on this one. This may be something that requires a little tweaking on your part for compounds and concentrations (Chemistry was NOT my favorite subject so bear with me), but I don’t think a total rework is needed.
That wouldn’t surprise me at all. As some others suggested earlier in the thread, different flavors develop differently. Whereas some flavors may end up being fabulous in VB, others maybe not? This is requiring some relearning in mixing, as to be expected. Thank you so much for continuing your testing and posting your results 
It may end up being muted in the 2-3 week range then evening out after a month. Only time will tell. And that may vary with every flavor as well. Strawberry is notorious for muting over time as well I believe? I have heard some people say they prefer their strawberry S&V only? I don’t use it much, but it seems to me that at least in retail Strawberry seems to be the top flavoring used, so it must hold onto the flavor somehow? I do know when I use it, I mix CAP Sweet Strawberry with TFA Ripe to get a more rounded taste. I look forward to your continuing tests 
Oh, btw, have you noticed that your vape experience feels more dry after a steep with the FB? Maybe I am just getting sick or having issues with my allergies. I don’t notice it with my regular 30/70 though…hmmmmmm
Sorry I arrived to the party late…they have outlawed my lawnmower on the street [Thank you, George Jones], and my wheelchair isn’t very fast [obama regulations vs medicare] …but I have scales that have 5 decimal points.
I am not sure why you would need the weight past two decimals for use in e-juice…1.22 vs 1.23 would never be noticeable in a 500ml mix.
Anyway…sorry I’m late, eh?
And to get that 0.01 increment in mixing you’d need what…an insulin syringe? Sure aren’t going to achieve that with a drip tip.
true… it wouldn’t be the weighing it’d be the volumetrics. Recommend measuring out 500ml and weighing
Thanks for the in depth review! Glad you’re liking it so far.
Yes it’s on the SDS we have for the PDO, but I was seeing a lot of different numbers from different sources so I just wanted to make sure we had the right weight.