I’m gonna carry on vaping regardless, as for the source, you can find it, I’ve already mentioned it several times, supporting medical evidence? It was conducted by a team of scientists and doctors.
Zigz that’s not a false equivalence. The symptom is whats bad, i’e stiffness of the aorta. It doesn’t say doing the same thing by smoking is worse or better. It simply states that the symptom is an undesirable one, unless you like cardiovascular diseases. If anything what you posted worries me more, it suggests it’s not the nicotine that did it meaning weening myself of nicotine isn’t gonna fix the problem, that sucks. Oh well.
I would like to clarify something as i think a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick. My points were
1 - people are too vitriolic about vaping because while they recognize the upsides (as we all do) they’re not cautious enough about another possibility which is
2 - For all we know while half of smokers die from lung cancer, it could turn out that 99% of vapers will die early from heart disease. Before any nutjobs jump on me, I’M A VAPER TOO, AND IT’S ACCEPTABLE TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS INSTEAD OF RELIGIOUSLY GETTING DEFENSIVE AND ACTING LIKE YOUR FELLOW VAPER IS WRONG OR SCAREMONGERING. phew…
It’s simply a thought, it concerns me because i see people are way too quick to protect the holy grail of vaping.
I love vaping but there is always, ya know, that other option, ween yourself off vaping AND DON’T GO BACK TO SMOKING.
People act like it’s one or the other and constantly equate the two. Quitting is probably the smartest thing in the long run and at least with vaping it’s easier to ween yourself off and eventually stop. This new news could mean nothing or it could mean a similar level of damage to the hearts operational ability or it could be much much worse for the heart. I agree we need more info, but i honestly feel like vapers are becoming a cult. Saying they don’t trust certain data (always data that’s negative to vapers), and want to know the equipment and clean room and names and blah, but are happy to cite sources they have equally poor information on (for the most part) and probably can’t name the people who conducted them and didn’t require the same criteria for their acceptance.
I just want people to think more about these things and stop seeing everything negative to vaping as a personal attack. Look at the threads when the uk health ministry published a relatively barren article on vaping being safer, everybody jumped for joy and NONE of the questions they’ve asked on here were even bothered with. That tells you something about the mentality of this.
Vape on, ignore it, i will, i won’t be stopping unless they can 100% prove it will kill you faster than ciggies, but saying things like “I won’t accept anything until i see long term proof”, knowing full well you can’t have long term proof on something so relatively new is just intellectually wishy washy. It doesn’t hurt to recognize and listen to people smarter than yourself. A lot of people cite American tobacco companies in bed with governments (but don’t name the cases) and even so, ignore that most of the rest of the world doesn’t allow that thing at all, people just want to believe in omens everywhere to help them justify their ignorance…