Hmm ok - i guess it isn’t
I think his recipe tilted the flavors mix factor on the flavor page.
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I’m kinda glad I don’t have any of the flavors. I can wait for other comments before ordering/mixing. But I need to go try the premium at my local juice bar to see if i’d want to mix it. The flavors sound good but I don’t usually vape coolants.
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Think this recipe works out more expensive or close to the price of the original.
Too buy 5 x 10ml of this to make it up would cost me around £12 delivered from Inawera and allow me to make roughly 14ml of concentrate roughly the same price as from Vampire Vape direct for 30 ml of the original and both are mixed at 15%
The difference is though the other 4 lower % ingredients could be used in future mixes. But overall I don’t think there is much difference in finished price
1 thing in it’s favour if it is close, there is no colouring.
As a sidenote, I am pretty sure from my Inawera testing. Koolada is a new product within the last 12 months and Heisenberg is much older than that?
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I’d like to add some notes over this one.
I followed the 3d and played around with this recipe, doing some champagne and grape variations, but one of the things I noticed and personally did, is the use of menthol crystals!
Everybody misses the Heisenberg bit (u know blue meth crystals… ) that is a dead giveaway!
Talking about berries, from the gas Chromatography they did on it in Germany, there’s no sign of any compounds or linaloos or ethyls or esters nor alcohols that lead to think about berries of any sorts… or they missed it or it hasn’t been published or… they’re just not there…
I personally think that’s a straight forward balsamic mix, and as a matter of fact they found Eucalyptol, Aniseed and Menthol.
The (not so) weird and probably misleading thing is that they found Amyl acetate, (isoamyl) Banana??? But pentyl acetate has the taste of apple and pear… read below…
The green leafy bit is given by the Cis-3Hexen-1ol… but it could come from the crystal themselves Mint green…
The other strange one is Ethyl butyrate… pineapple??? or could very well be that was the base of a berry and the ethyl part on a GC just sort of… went…
The blue bit… they found Methyl anthranilate that they say is light blue, but it has also the scent of: Grape! (that’s where I based my variation…grape and champagne) and when combined with Ethyl butirate is… Apple!
At the end usual Triacetine… but… triacetin is something that INW uses in their Shisha mixes… That could lead to Eucalyptus and mint (INW) and the berry mix still from (INW)
They could very well have used Triacetine on its own, it also moists thing up… it is an high PG mix… might need some Glicerole moisting and blending…
Just dropped my thoughts, and shared some “food for thoughts.”
BTW I’ve got the original and can compare…
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I share my thoughts all the way… so I’ll add another one and it’s what led me to think the flavours were from Inawera… If you’re in Europe and want to use fruits your two best choices are FA and INW.
I got to know that the original recipe was from SayMyName… Germany and in Germany INW is easy to find, fairly cheap, good products and they’ve got fast delivery, what more would you want…
My guess is (scifi mixing… 
) that the original had koolada or just a freshener and that VV (fans of BR BA) powered it up with blue meth, menthol crystals.
The sci fi bit is how did that recipe went from Germany to England??
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Not sure of the ingredients, but blackcurrant, anise, koolada, red fruit and mint, and black fruit… It really sounds like a similar flavor profile. I used cool mint instead of koolada, double apple for red fruit, blackberry for black fruit… jelly candy for the rest of the koolada and a bit of something else to substitute for a licorice flavor. and then blue raspberry cotton candy for my own personal touch. FOrgive me if my ingredients list is off from my recipe… I don’t have it right in front of me, but that’s to the best of my memory without looking at the list… So I’m sure it doesn’t taste the same as the real Heisenberg, but I get the feeling like it’s in the same flavor family profile.
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So, there’s apple, anise, maybe pear and menthol?
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That’s what the GC outlined, don’t forget that the anisette can be anything from licorice to absinthe or star anise.
Rremeber the pineapple?? And I strongly doubt the banana in favour of the apple combo= butyrate/ anthranilate…
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ahh dang, heisenburg, a lot of folks said it boiled down into two flavor profiles, one of those … yanni or laurel things, I can’t stand licorice though, I’ve tried it several times, … oh well, thanks for the notes!
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Hey, let me chime in :). Thanks for posting my recipe here and that was quick.
I really worked a long time on this one and would be happy if you guys would try it.
My recipe is made for my taste - I mix the Heisenberg concentrate at 15% in a 50/50 base. I like it that way and for me it is the same as the premixed stuff. Sooo… You can create the concentrate and adjust the flavor percentage to your liking.
11% Red fruits and Mint are really much - I have to admit. But in lower percentages it’s not giving the Heisenberg-taste.
Price-Wise this stuff is really not much of a difference - but that was not intended with this mix. I wanted to get rid of the coloring and adjust this a little more to my taste - the anise bothered me a bit. But to make something better, you have to know how to make it, right? I can make 75ml of this as a concentrate for around 30€ (0,4€/ml) shipped, 30ml of the concentrate are 15€ (0,5€/ml) around here.
Scaling up it get’s interesting, I can get 135ml of the concentrate for 33€ (0,24€/ml) shipped. But you have to know if the recipe works.
I actually had a recipe with Raw Pineapple (INW) before this one and it was already quite close. The Raw Pineapple has not much of a pineapple for me, just a hint of liquorice or aniseed and a bit of dark-sweetness. I wanted to call it a day after all this time, but it didn’t sit quite right. So I chose to continue my search.
The main taste that is making you love or hate Heisenberg is Red fruits and mint (INW) and Black fruits and mint (INW). It’s giving this lingering toilet freshner taste to it, that some people experience.
If you are interested I am open to share a few of my notes of this whole development - but not all because there are lots of handwritten and I’m sort of lazy…
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Don’t we all love the insights, don’t we???
Thanks @noilian I’ll look forward to a good read!
Did you try the crystals?? I did, they muddle everything up and I went really close to it… 
As I said, didn’t personally like it, but I thought, why not change it and take off the bits you don’t like and add some that suites the profile to my taste.
So I did some research and tests to study the recipe and insights, saw what everyone else did on this “Secret Recipe”, having read a bit about it and modified it, I thought why not share my thoughts. It’ll be nice to see yours!
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This is how we do (ELR). This is the kind of thread I like, regardless if I would like the finished recipe. @Iv3shf Big thanks for the scientific breakdown, and thanks to everyone else for the Subjective notes. This has become a passionate in-depth analysis. E-Juice DIY? …Art! Science! Business! …oh and affordable Vaping.
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Okay, story time ;).
Started vaping back in 2015/16, with some blueberry liquid by sonic vape. Couldn’t get a hold of it anymore, because my shop was sold out and they told me they don’t know if they would get it anytime soon. I was planning for a 2 week trip, so I needed a few bottles and tried Heisenberg the first time. Smell was repelling, because it smelled worse than a life-saver ( this. Weird american candy for germans.
I found out the company would open a shop near my city, so I went there to meet a few people from the local vape-scene. Still learning, you know? This shop was the my worst experience ever. Belitteling me for asking questions and making fun of my small setup. I swore I would not buy products from them anymore, and would try to avoid this company alltogether - but the craving set in.
I couldn’t find any good juice that would be as complex in flavor as this one, so I thought to myself: could I make this myself? Can’t be that hard, mix some blueberry flavor, aniseed and a bit of mehtol and there you go. first recipe:
Anise (FA)|0.50%
Black Cherry (TPA)|1.00%
Blackberry (TPA)|2.00%
Blueberry Candy (TPA)|2.00%
Blueberry Extra (TPA)|3.00%
Blueberry Wild (TPA)|3.00%
Koolada 10% (TPA)|1.00%
Menthol|0.50%
Raspberry (Sweet) (TPA)|3.00%
Oh boy… I still have this bottle in my closet and every so often I have a smell at it. It’s really the worst. This led me off to another path, chasing other flavor profiles in sub-ohm vapes. (If you are interested, I got Nuts and Cream by Northland pretty spot on in my DX Version 
http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1327295/Nuts+and+Cream+DX+5 )
But once or twice a week I would look for new flavors that could be in Heisenberg by VV. Chased every little info from the internet and tried nearly all recipes out there that claimed to be a clone or “really really close”.
The famous Kritikalmass recipe:
Koolada 1%
Anise (Star) (cap) 2%
Apple Double (cap) 1%
Blue Raspberry (TPA) 4%
Blueberry Candy (TPA) 8%
Bubblegum (TPA) 4%
I found the analysis from the german (?) forum, trying to let these infos push me in the right direction.
Even followd the “inside info” that it should be all Flavor West - invested a whole lot of money to try many different single or multi flavors.
And lastly the user /u/Ernie_is_Dead told me about his Pinkman Clone and his suspicion VV would use mainly Inawera flavors. Well, I was at a dead end and bought everything that sounded like it could match the profile. I knew since Heisenberg - no Ice edition that there would be some sort of Grape inside. Grape flavors give e-liquids a blue-shimmer in sunlight and it was definitely there.
Second last Inawera order before finding the recipe:
- Black Fruit - Mint
- Inawera Exotic
- Inawera Grapes
- Jungle Frost
- Shisha Blueberry
- Tino D’Milano Fruit Mix
- “Dry Cocktail”
- Kaktus
- Marula
- Pink Panther
- Red Fruit Mint
- Classic Yummy Blue Dwarf
- BlackBerry / Blueberry
- Prickly Pear
- Just Berries
- Classic Yummy Bubble Gum
- Pairs of Pears
- Raspberry (Manila)
Soo… I tried all these flavors as single mixes. First in low percentages, after that I tried the multi-flavors in 10% order, because sometimes that works amazing. (For example FW Red White and Blue at 5% is completely different to 10%, but still tasty)
It got close when you tasted the liquid itself, with this recipe:
Raw Pineapple (INAWERA)|1.00%
Red Fruits And Mint (INAWERA)|15.00%
After all, there was Pineapple mentioned in the flavor breakdown, right? Right. But this pineapple is different, it has a licorice taste to it and tastes more like the smell of ripe, uncut pineapple. With the green leaves mixed in. (It’s weird to explain, I think it’s some sort of freaky thing my brain does and don’t know if anyone can relate to this) Was just missing some sort of cooling agent, so just threw in some Koolada (or WS23, wich is basically the same) and tried some WS3 as an alternative.
WS23 solved in PG is a clear liquid, but if you mix it with VG it gets cloudy. I was down to very old Heisenberg bottles and they were crystal clear - so that couldn’t be right. Mixed WS3 looked clear, but the taste was off. Too menthol like (these sharp, mint notes) and not strong enough.
So I was in a dead end again, not finding out how to explain this. Luckily I left some of the WS23 in my room, where it got some sunlight and it turned clear within a week. That was not intended, but now I know that if you heat WS23-cloudy mixes or let them steep, they will clear up again.
Still something was off, so I thought I should look through a few other flavors. Did you know about Inawera exotic roots? This is one of the most disgusting flavors ever created. At least for me. Don’t bother to buy it, seriously. I found out Cherry Anise is not my cup of tea either.
I bought a few FW flavors again, because of the Kritikalmass “inside info”. Thought it could be Wintergreen, because I have no idea what it tastes like as it’s uncommon in germany. Surprise, it’s toilet freshner with a very harsh taste.
Anyway, I got back to the drawingboard and started all over again, taking into account my recollection of flavors I bought from Inawera, because that Red fruits and Mint was the closest I ever got. Started from there, added anise - but just a hint as it is not always present in Heisenberg.
Added the Coolada, to come closer and I was also sure about that one.
Tried the raw Pineapple again, but couldn’t nail down the sweetness and still there was some Mint missing. Increased the RFAM but finally settled for Black Currant to get this red-slightly sour-sweetness in the back of you mouth. Thought about what could possibly increase this toilet-freshner taste and remembered the cool-cassis-bubblegum taste from Blackfruit Mint.
There you have it. Adjusted 3 or 4 times the percentages and settled for the recipe.
Feel free to ask further questions, as this got really long now and I tried to keep it short…
Edit:
Oh and I did not dabble with crystals. Never occured to me to make my own menthol flavor… and my appartment already looks like I’m cooking meth when I get my equipment out 
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No …that was a great (Rabbit Hole) story to which ALL can relate. You set your sights on one of the hardest recipes and you never gave up …Cheers! 
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Thanks 
All the way I had the feeling I was alone in my search, because I was trying to engage other people but most didn’t want.
Did I mention that I came up with a bunch of recipes to cleanse my palate after the monstrocities I called a clone? For example my Basinth is a recipe that’s best fresh (don’t leave it steeping more than a week), no steep time needed. But it leaves a refreshing and uncommon taste in your mouth.
Or my FlueFix that will knock out any sinus-blockage withing 5 inhales. After that it’s just sweet goodness.
I developed a secret love for Capella Peppermint as it works out in so many profiles. Mix it with some creamy vanilla, or some red tasting fruits, or some sweet candies. Just fantastic…
Anyway, if you need a recipe cloned and have 2-3 years to spare - hit me up .
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Oh hang out and catch the fresh [REQ] Clone threads. ELR will keep you hooked.
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Oh I hate all of you!! 
Because this thread keeps popping up, I got curious and bought a 10ml bottle of this stuff to give it a try. Heck, I don’t even like mint vapes, but I just wanted to know what you’re all talking about.
The first puff really was a slap in the face. My god, how can anyone vape this cold blast??? It was a hot day though and walking through town puffing this stuff, it grew on me… vaped it some more when I got home and now I’m hooked
I hate you guys so much… last thing I needed, another addiction!
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That’s how meth works. It grows slowly on you
But you are lucky, you can make it on your own, with a few cheap ingredients! You can even make so much and start selling it to your friends and make a quick buck on the side . Just give them the first 10ml for free and they will come back begging for more.
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