Vanilla note WITHOUT the cream?

Lolly · January 31, 2018, 7:54pm

Amazing Vanilla, I don’t get any cream from it

SthrnMixer · January 31, 2018, 8:27pm

Well I actually haven’t used HV that high…I don’t think. Typically I’ll use it 0.5 - 1.0%. Most often I use MF around 0.5%.

Not counting shipping, the cost for a 2oz bottle of HV is $15, or $0.25/ml
The cost for MF Vanilla is $23 for 15 ml, or $1.53/ml

So using HV at the highest 1.5% and MF at 0.5%, it’s a relative wash in terms of cost. However, if you consistently use MF at a lower% than that then it could be cheaper. But I often use HV at 0.5% so the reality is it’s a bit cheaper.

Bottom line for me is that if I can find flavors to replace ones I love from MF I will. I don’t like how they do business. Some though are irreplaceable.

Laberythm · January 31, 2018, 8:47pm

Yes it does. But as far as I know vanillin and ethyl vanillin both have this creamy mouthfeel, so you probable have to go to Vanilla (Bourbon) TPA because they use vanilla extract on that flavor and from the flavor description looks like it lacks this creamy taste. But I have not ever used that flavor to know for sure. Is there anyone else who have try Vanilla (Bourbon) TPA?

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Steampugs · January 31, 2018, 9:01pm

As has been mentioned already I find Vanilla Tahiti FA and DIYFS Holy Vanilla are my go to’s for the kind of straight ‘vanilla’ flavour you described, both are excellent…and I loves me some nilla

fidalgo_vapes · January 31, 2018, 9:04pm

i hear you ty for explaining and breaking it down the way you did , one day ill try it

Alisa · February 1, 2018, 7:45pm

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craigtalley · January 31, 2018, 9:08pm

Vanilla Tahiti FA is a brilliant flavor that makes many Pacific Islander recipes with its hints of Almond and tropical fruits and nuts. At least that’s what I get.

anon28032772 · January 31, 2018, 9:55pm

I know that, relatively speaking, cost of flavors can vary a lot. But if you take a step back and see what those %'s in your liquids cost, especially compared to our previous habits, doesn’t cost largely fade away in the discussion?

For me at least, it’s much more important to have the best possible flavors and I think most people would agree with that. I used to spend a hell of a lot more on cigarettes than my monthly internet subscription. Now it’s the other way around, even if I buy the best and most expensive flavors.
And if you’re mixing for others as well, I’m sure they won’t mind paying a few cents extra for a better tasting juice.

Skullblade789 · January 31, 2018, 10:04pm

MF Vanilla will give you what you want.

ffrank · January 31, 2018, 10:40pm

I vote for INW Vanilla Shisha. I don’t detect any cream in that… just straight up vanilla.

Ken_O_Where · February 1, 2018, 8:01pm

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AdamT · February 1, 2018, 10:47pm

I’ve tried many of the vanillas listed on the forum. Haven’t tried MF though. I’ll check it out.

To my taste buds, Holy Vanilla is too deep. Same with most of the FA’s.

Has anyone tried Dentyne Ice Vanilla Chill? dentyne-ice-gum-sugar-free-vanilla-ch-ll-12x12stk_4557267 That’s what I’m going for.

Right now I’m using Vanillin, but I haven’t tried Ethyl Vanillin… How do Vanillin and Ethyl Vanillin differ?

Jazzy_girl · February 1, 2018, 10:50pm

Flavorah Vanilla bean is really nice for a straight vanilla note with no cream and def. Flv ice for the coolness in the Dentyne ice

anon28032772 · February 1, 2018, 11:44pm

I only have TPA Vanillin, but from wikipedia:

As a flavorant, ethylvanillin is about three times as potent as vanillin

AdamT · February 1, 2018, 11:50pm

Hm… So it’s only a potency factor? No flavor note difference?

anon28032772 · February 1, 2018, 11:53pm

Since it’s a different molecule, I would assume there’s a slight difference besides the strength. But maybe people with experience with both can confirm?
Like I said, I only have the cheap TPA Vanillin

From http://gfnfoodsales.com/vanilla-vanillin-ethylvanillin/:
The main difference between ethylvanillin and its brother vanillin is that ethyl vanillin is 2 ½ times as potent. It’s the flavor you’re looking for if you want to make chocolate that tastes vanilla. Plus, ethyl vanillin and vanillin can also be used together for a more interesting vanilla flavor.

This leads me to believe that besides strength, there is a little difference, but I have a hard time to find a good explanation myself.

Some more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2zb6aq/difference_between_vanillin_and_ethyl_vannilin/

Laberythm · February 2, 2018, 8:29am

Have you tried Vanilla (Bourbon) TPA? I am curious about this flavor.

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Ken_O_Where · February 7, 2018, 7:33am

IMO this is one of the correct answers. One of the few Van flavorings without a cream note. Im not sure how stand alone it is but it will mix well with any vanilla you can throw at it so if you have a vanilla flavoring you like but has that cream note you can reduce its flavor % and add just a bit of this.

worm1 · March 9, 2018, 7:15am

@woftam reminded me by linking this thread from another that i had a McCormicks vanilla steeping for a month now. Laugh as u will but 1% in max vg is quite nice but feels creamier then i would expect.