Was provided to me by a fireman friend. His chief is distributing them to his staff. They were provided via pdf.
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That’s what got me, they are tying it to general vaping, not THC vaping. They just want to blanket anything they think they can.
Back in high school I hated THC. I was the designated driver on our friday and saturday night cruises, kids these days don’t know what driving in town on weekends even means.
However if I could find some THC that actually put me to sleep without all those stupid side effects, I would consider it now. I hated the feeling it gave me, kind of like put me in my own head high. All the medicine I take to sleep is pretty bad.
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Not all cannabis is the same. These days there are some stupendously strong strains that can even make a regular user feel sick. You just have to find the right kind for you. This is one of the reasons why legalization is necessary, so that people can get proper advice on what to buy.
There is stuff that makes you high as a kite, energizes you or put you to sleep. The first time(s) you try, it’s possible that you don’t feel anything or much stronger than with others. Try and get some good info before you try and be careful with edibles, they’re difficult to dose if you’re not familiar with the product.
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One reasonable thing the CDC said…
People who use vape should not buy products off the street, modify e-cigarette products or add any substances that are not intended by the manufacturer, the CDC and FDA said.
At least that doesn’t immediately paint vaping itself as bad.
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They think they have problems now, lol. Make it illegal and let the black market take over. I flushed my last bag of pot at 24 because I had no idea what I was getting. Everything from oregano to PCP. Don’t eat the brown acid, lol. Fuck that.
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Indeed, those who stuck with Clear Light, Orange Sunshine, and Columbian Red/Gold fared much better. 
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Ganesh Chaturthi, also known as Vinayaka Chaturthi or Vinayaka Chavithi is a Hindu festival celebrating the birth of Ganesha (September 2, 2019). Ganesh is widely revered as the remover of obstacles, the patron of arts and sciences and the deva of intellect and wisdom. As the god of beginnings, he is honoured at the start of rites and ceremonies.
Every breath, every sigh, every song, every enchantment, every dream, every prayer is a gem of creation.
Fragrant things there now are in the earth, whether roots, or herbage, or woods,
or essences which distil from fruit and flower grew and thrived in that land.
With such blessings the earth freely furnished them.
-Plato, Critias
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A bit of more specific information regarding the single patient who (for unknown reasons) died in Illinois:
Last week, a patient in her 30s who had recently vaped died in Illinois, and public health officials said they are still waiting for toxicology and other tests to determine the cause of death. …
… “We know some of this is associated with T.H.C.,” said Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. “I think this is probably going to be associated with illegal products,” Dr. Gottlieb said. “It’s not like the major manufacturers have suddenly changed their ingredients,” he said. “It’s probably something new that has been introduced into the market by an illegal manufacturer, either a new flavor or a new way to emulsify T.H.C. that is causing these injuries.” …
… The Food and Drug Administration is analyzing about 80 samples received from patients, but has not made the results public.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/30/health/vaping-e-cigarettes-marijuana-cdc.html
It seems somewhat odd that Gottlieb (no longer heading the FDA) would be making public statements on the FDA’s behalf. They probably would like him to take some of the public “heat” around “vaping” issues - though he can’t really speak in an official capacity for FDA. (Perhaps) a bit of “blame-projection” and “Gottlieb guilt”. By allowing Gottlieb to make non-binding public statements, the FDA remains free to “change the story” later
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Jacob Sullum at Reason Magazine has been writing about these recent events, and related subjects:
(Aug 19, 2019): “Blaming Breathing Problems on ‘Vaping’ Is Like Blaming Food Poisoning on Eating”
(August 30, 2019): “Federal Investigators Think Black-Market Vaping Products, Not Legal E-Cigarettes, Are to Blame for Respiratory Illnesses”
By lumping e-cigarettes in with tobacco products, the FDA and CDC may hope to scare kids away from them. But the message to current smokers - that they might as well keep puffing away, since all these nicotine sources are essentially the same - is potentially deadly. … The CDC now grudgingly accepts that smokers who switch to vaping are better off, but it still worries that nonsmokers will take up vaping. To deter them, the CDC inflates the risk posed by e-cigarettes, which also deters smokers from switching, even though that decision could save their lives. The only way out of this conundrum is one the CDC never seems to consider: Instead of slanting information in the hope of manipulating people’s behavior, why not tell them the truth and let them make their own decisions?
(August 31, 2019): " FDA Lies About Vaping While the CDC Inches Toward the Truth"
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Referenced in 2nd article (above), a new post (by the previously quoted on this thread) Dr Michael Siegel:
The more than 200 cases of severe lung illness that have been reported in 22 states is indeed an important public health concern. But it is misleading, alarmist, and irresponsible to tell the public that these cases are being caused by retail e-cigarette products generally. Moreover, it is damaging misinformation because it does nothing to prevent further cases from occurring. The attribution for these cases is so broad that it is tantamount to giving no advice at all. Scaring people into believing that any vaping could cause you to die of respiratory failure is not only untrue, but it is not going to result in any change in behavior because it is far too vague. …
… As a trained epidemiologist, it was immediately clear to me that these cases are not being caused by vaping products generally because these products have been on the market for years without any significant problems and because the reports are clustered in specific geographic areas. Now that further information is available, it is clear that the majority of the observed cases are associated with the use of THC oils that were obtained from unlicensed sellers. It is also likely that cases occurring among people using nicotine-containing e-liquids without THC are due to a contaminant that is appearing in products being sold on the black market, not in retail stores. …
… Here, we need to start telling the public the truth. However much physicians or anti-nicotine groups may not like it, the truth is that the outbreak we are seeing is not due to the risks of using standard vaping products. It appears much more likely that the outbreak is mostly, if not completely attributable to illicit products–especially THC extracts–that are being sold by unlicensed sellers on the black market. Unless people are provided with this specific information, they will not take action to avoid the products that could put them at risk.
(August 30, 2019): “Boston Pulmonologist Provides Misinformation About the Cause of Severe Lung Disease Associated with ‘Vaping’”
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A previously (on August 25, 2019) published post by Dr Michael Siegel (found on the same blog-site):
The advice from health agencies, including the CDC, to avoid using “e-cigarettes” is irresponsible. This is such a broad category of products that it doesn’t really give people any guidance whatsoever in terms of what to avoid. There are millions of people who are vaping nicotine-containing e-liquids and it would not be prudent for these millions of people to return to smoking in order to avoid the risk of this “unknown” and “mysterious” medical condition. Moreover, with such vague advice, no one is likely to change their behavior because they are not being warned about any specific, identifiable risk. …
… Since lipoid pneumonia is caused by oil inhalation, it seems pretty clear that those cases diagnosed as lipoid pneumonia are being caused by the use of e-liquids that are oil-based, not alcohol-based. Most nicotine-containing e-liquids are alcohol-based, meaning that they contain as excipients some combination of propylene glycol and glycerin. These products do not pose a risk of lipoid pneumonia. There are some nicotine-containing e-liquids that are oil-based, and these should absolutely be avoided.
… the CDC and other health groups are providing such generalized and vague advice that it is essentially meaningless. Sadly, the failure of CDC and other health agencies to provide appropriate recommendations is putting kids’ lives at risk. Since there has been no admonition to avoid the use of THC oils, kids are going to continue to use these products. This is why the CDC’s recommendations are irresponsible.
(August 25, 2019): “IN MY VIEW: CDC and Health Groups’ Bias Against E-Cigarettes is Putting Kids’ Lives at Risk”
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Vitamin E oil appears to have been a common substance associated with the severe and sudden respiratory problems in some of the New York cases, according to state health officials. It is not known how it was used. Vitamin E is sometimes advertised as a supplement in cannabidiol oil, which is not designed for vaping but has been used that way. … called to the intensive care unit to consult on a patient with the severe lung ailment. The patient was in his 20s and a heavy e-cigarette user who also vaped THC. … The regulation and study of the marijuana industry is particularly complex. Even though the federal government still considers cannabis a controlled substance, 33 states now allow it to be sold for either recreational or medicinal purposes or both. Hundreds of cannabis products are sold, legally and illegally, such as THC oil, or cannabis oil with THC.
(New York Times, August 31, 2019): “The Mysterious Vaping Illness That’s ‘Becoming an Epidemic’”
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While the specific causes remain unclear, contaminants and adulterants in illegal vapes look like the most likely explanation.
Despite attempts to blame recent reports of respiratory illnesses among vapers on legal e-cigarettes, investigators are increasingly inclined to think the real problem is hazardous chemicals in black-market THC and nicotine products.
The Washington Post reports that “state and federal health authorities are focusing on the role of contaminants or counterfeit substances as a likely cause of vaping-related lung illnesses.” They “are narrowing the possible culprits to adulterants in vaping products purported to have THC…as well as adulterants in nicotine vaping products.”
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This is what the Gooberment does. It’s called job security. Create a problem that doesn’t exist then solve it at the expense of the people. All while convincing the people that the Gooberment saved them.
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Schtepping with the CDC “Uninformed Sevices”. We cut it twice, Chairman Trump, … but it’s still too short !
From the (airhead) US Sturgeon General’s Boss (Admiral Brett P. Giroir, Assistant Secretary for Health):
https://twitter.com/HHS_ASH/status/1149334372488818690
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Duty bound Uninformed Medical Officers duly power-chugging the Collective Therapeutic State Kool Aid:
We must trust the checks-and-balances of our chain-of-command to protect
and guide us. This strengthens our relationships with our co-workers, our
superiors, our agencies, and ultimately with the Commissioned Corps.
Source: https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.coausphs.org/resource/resmgr/frontline/2018-03_coa_newsletter_v7_fi.pdf
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Back when I was in high school (the stone tablet/pre-internet days) we did a locally published study that proved that mother’s milk led to heroin addiction.
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Causality has yet to be definitively established - however, strong correlations have been found by numerous researchers to exist between being born and all-cause mortality. The hypothesis has its detractors, however as some numerical analysts point out that reincarnation would reverse such cause and effect relationships. Others accuse such numerical analysts of merely seeking to create and rhetorically justify the existence of permanently funded academic research grants on the taxpayers’ dime. It has indeed long been well known, and largely accepted, that the only things which are definitively assured are death, taxes, dentists, and the bombastic and bellicose ravings of moral nannies ostensibly seeking to “save humankind from themselves”.
Worry not, however, as in the grand tradition of perennial and pervasive oxymoronic “military intelligence”,
“U.S. Unleashes Military to Fight Fake News, Disinformation”, led by our Psychopath in Chief Donald Rump.
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Hey kid, some really awesome, righteous Limburger just came in. First time’s free. “Moo’s the word”. … 
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That’s funny. I guess my point was, back in the dark ages of 1972, the horse (no pun intended) they were beating was that marijuana was the gateway drug to heroin. The psych class I was in did a study which asked what drugs they did (pot, coke, tobacco, alcohol,etc.) before heroin. I remember that pot was less than 10%. But we stuck on “breast fed or bottle fed” just for a joke. 100% of those surveyed answered breast fed. Alcohol was the only other thing that even went above 50%. Quite similar to what we are seeing now. Oh, and, uh…I’ll take a quarter of the Limburger.
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FDA and CDC has recently grown deeply concerned as to the large number of cheese-freaks inhabiting the streets in urban neighborhoods. Trump has ordered roundup and internment, for slave-labor at Mar a Lago.
From: https://druglibrary.net/schaffer/History/aof/index.html
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Nicotine-loving readers might also take particular note (as instructive historical record) of Chapter 20 of “Agency of Fear - Opiates and Political Power in America”, entitled, “The Manipulation of the Media”. 
The extraordinary measures that the White House planned to undertake in its war against crime depended heavily for their success on the organization of public fears. If Americans could be persuaded that their lives and the lives of their children were being threatened by a rampant epidemic of narcotics addiction, Nixon’s advisors presumed they would not object to decisive government actions, such as no-knock warrants, pretrial detention, wiretaps, and unorthodox strike forces-even if the emergency measures had to cross or circumvent the traditional rights of a suspect. To achieve this state of fear required transforming a relatively small heroin addiction problem-which even according to the most exaggerated estimates directly affected only a minute fraction of the population in 1971 - into a plague that threatened all. This in turn required the artful use of the media to propagate a simple but terrifying set of stereotypes about drug addiction: the addict-dealer would be depicted as a modern-day version of the medieval vampire, ineluctably driven to commit crimes and infect others by his insatiable and incurable need for heroin. The victims would be shown as innocent youth, totally vulnerable to the vampire-addict. And the federal law-enforcement officer would be shown as the only effective instrument for stopping the vampire-addicts from contaminating the rest of society. The most obvious medium available for projecting these stereotypes on the popular imagination was television. …
… The remarks that the president made to the television producers were prepared by [Patrick] Buchanan, the speech writer who delighted in writing hard-line speeches which closely paralleled the rhetoric then being used in New York State by Governor Rockefeller. In this “impromptu” speech the president warned ominously that “the scourge of narcotics has swept the young generation like an epidemic… There is no community in this country today that can safely claim immunity from it… Estimates of it are somewhere between five and twelve million people in this country have used illicit drugs.” (When Buchanan redrafted this speech for Nixon six months later, he increased the estimates to “between twelve and twenty million people”, he thus added some seven million new drug users to government estimates). …
… In large part because of this massive “subliminal stimulation” campaign in the media, President Nixon could point out in his June, 1971, declaration of a national emergency that “the threat of narcotics … frightens many Americans.” The generation of fear had succeeded: even in cities which had few, if any, heroin addicts, private polls commissioned by the White House showed that citizens believed the drug menace to be one of the two main threats to their safety.
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The so-called “opioid epidemic” is quite clearly and demonstrably a genuine mortality crisis that has and is almost completely resulting from the illicit Fentanyl(s) supply that was inspired, engendered, and is now horrifically sustained by the government’s own throttling/prohibition of pharmaceutical opioid medications. Supremely genocidal stupidity in action. Succeeding generations who willfully buy-into this facist chemical statist garbage (surrounding drugs that they have been raised and trained to cheerfully demonize, along with any persons who might use them) that is ripe cannon-fodder for Trump’s DEA/FDA/CDC may be surprised as their rhetorical propaganda guns now turn towards Nicotine in above well characterized modus operandi.
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Sounds familiar doesn’t it?
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If someone is a smoker ,and they die in a car crash,its considered a smoking related death…
If someone drinks alcohol and falls and dies when they are sober its called an alcohol related death…
Just saying…
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When a person who has died led some presumed to be virtuous (that is, at least one somehow not morally judge-able, in some way, by someone, somewhere, sometime) life, doctors seem fond of saying (and the “press” generally unquestioningly repeats) that they died due to “natural causes” - knowing full well that no such thing tangibly exists in medicine, whatsoever. Doctors and diagnoses (of various flavors) depend upon the making of judgments about hypothesized dysfunctions, derangements, degenerations. In the age of self-protective corporate defensive-medicine, blame is the fungible commodity, and the urge to somehow stoop to morally indicting the diseased as well as deceased can sometimes be too attractive for some to resist.
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I really don’t believe that. Can you site examples?
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