GL @anon84779643 !!!
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Thanks Sd… <3 
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Right on. That is it exactly. Why would kids- smokers or not- care about flavors? Even though vaping and flavor variety type things were not available when I was young, it would have been the nicotine happy feeling that drew me in. In fact, I really never cared much about the stench or nasty taste of cigarettes when I smoked. I didn’t like it but it was absolutely never a factor in the internal debates I had with myself about considering quitting. It was money and health. And I traded both to continue smoking.
For kids, one of which I was once, it is definitely about the high nicotine content. I suspect @Josephine_van_Rijn is correct about the unflavored high nic pods sales vs. the flavored low/no nic pods. The ‘high’ would win.
As for why “nobody is talking about it”, well I suspect the vape crowd doesn’t want to concede that nicotine vaping is anything less than a safe hobby and perfect smoking cessation tool, happily pointing out that tainted THC cartridges are the only problem with vaping. Admitting that nicotine vaping (even if only at high levels) is hooking kids is akin to admitting that nic vaping is sometimes a bad idea. And I suspect the government cares more about obliterating vaping altogether, so discussing low-nic alternatives is contraindicated.
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Welcome! This was my first stop on my DIY journey. I started knowing nothing and 3 years later I’ve got over 2 liters of juices waiting to be vaped.
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So if we already know what is coming… why loose anything at all?
You can only educate anyone as far as they themselves allow to be… and that is proven every day.
Politically correct statements are only allowed for fear you might just hurt someone else’s feelings is bs.
Wake up. You can only loose what you have… you can not loose anything for anyone else.
There are still long time smokers and people that just love to smoke… you can’t convert anyone if they do not want to be. You can’t change someone’s mind once made up. You can try… but it wont happen. Do they really miss out? Or do they stop cold turkey? I remember my dad tried vaping and hated it. He wouldn’t try anything I mixed, at all. He ended up quitting cold turkey. He lasted for 2 yrs, the first year, they found he had colon cancer and it spread to his lungs and full body. 2 yrs now, he has been gone from this world. I miss his hard headed simple life approaches. I miss my dad.
My mom… gone now 8 yrs this month, and I miss her even more. She is the one that pushed me to make vaping taste better. If she could only see me now.
I feel sometimes we only trade one addiction for yet another… I have had at least 12 people that used vaping as a tool, and even stopped vaping and no, they have not gone out to smoke. They even check in with me. I find that the rest us are more of a mentality of look at me, I will preach the vigorous joys of vaping till I talk you into vaping too. I deserve a spot light.
Hell I dont even want a spotlight… but I have been around forever and a day now.
We preach on how to mix, what are the “In” flavor manufactures, whats the best damn strawberry mix, or mango or tobacco… but in the end… have you accomplished what you set out, to actually live healthy, loose weight, or gain weight? Active lifestyle or sedate? Making better choices, or are you still in a rut, and puffing out your clouds?
What is the solution? Like I said in my post above, what is important to you, and its a lot to think on.
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I’ve always felt terribly for my Dad about that. For years, Mom tried to get him to quit. He just enjoyed smoking. He knew the risks by that point, but simply enjoyed it. He ended up giving in and did quit cold turkey too. He was miserable for months. Finally accepted it after about 8 months and was glad he quit. A year later, he was diagnosed with lung cancer. 8 months later he was gone. I felt so bad that he had to endure months of anguish during the quit cycle and got no benefit from it long term. His last few years were not happy ones. That was 20 years ago come January 20. I miss him every day. He taught me everything.
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Good luck to you @anon84779643 !!
I’m happy for you that you have reached this stage,
Would be nice to be there too, but I know I’m not. Tried lowering my nic level and started craving smokes. So went back up on the nic, and had to add tobacco flavor again. Only been a year for me. First started vaping when the Njoy cigalikes came out way back when but never stuck with it. So I’ve been an on again off again vaper for years. But finally stuck with it this time.
I really don’t wanna go back to cigarettes, but I know if I don’t have the flavor of tobacco and that hazelnut and sweetcream ( like a cup of coffee and a smoke) that is also satisfying as well as the nicotine. … I will go right back to smoking on the porch with a cup of coffee… 
But I am happy for you believe me. 
And way to go Dad!! You did a great job with your son 
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Just remember, one day at a time… take goals and make them happen. If you nic step down… do it in intervals of 2mg… when you are ready. You might just surprise yourself 
Keep at it… my road has lasted me this long. I do enjoy my flavors… but I have learned I can go with out the nic I personally believe if your flavors are good, the nic one uses is only a crutch… so I am testing my theory out now.
ps… I don’t have any boy parts 
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Omg I’m so sorry!!! Lol WTG MOM!!!
I think I have been discouraged by an ER doctor I saw one time years ago. He asked me if I smoke. At the time I did, almost 2 packs a day have tried quitting numerous times. He asked me if I was bipolar. I didn’t know why he wanted to know but I said yes, was Diagnosed in 1987. He told me in all his time as a doctor he has never known anyone with bipolar disorder to be successful in quitting smoking. … They always fail. 
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No worries lol… 
You would be surprised then… there are a lot of bipolars even here on site, that all vape 
Sometimes you run across those that put big Pharma up against anything else, in order to make the bucks… remember that
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Does it really matter tho? I mean the FDA’s deeming regs will eliminate vaping as we know it anyway.
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That’s the next fight Obijuan. Those regs will wipe out most of the manufacturers. The only ones left standing will be ones that can pay the insane fee to make it through that process. The UK offers a more reasonable solution as far as pricing (as far as I’ve been told because I don’t manufacture liquids myself).
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Only if we let it. Stock up.
Calculate how much nic you need. Get it. There are some very good nic sales going on.
Zero in on the gear that serves you well, is rebuildable, and easy to maintain.
We have 5 months.
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@woftam looks like there are a FEW great responses to that story …
earl phlegm • 12 hours ago • edited
HELP WANTED - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE!
Attention all members of the organized and petty crime community. A new profit potential in drugs has been created by the federal government working in conjunction with concerned citizens and various industry stakeholders, this time in the vaping industry. Prohibition of a style of vaping drug will result in the massive demand for same going underground. The public will be looking for organized crime to, as usual, provide access to the forbidden products in the black market. Now’s the perfect time to begin stocking up inventory for the coming torrent in underground demand for flavored nicotine products. Experts estimate the black market prices could exceed the pre-ban prices by factors of 3 to 10 times depending upon the specific market. Don’t let this opportunity leave you at the back of the pack. Just as in any other industry, those who are first to meet the illegal demand with a viable product will establish an advantaged position in this brand new up and coming industry. This is a ground floor opportunity to be the new Al Capone of the new prohibited tobacco products underground market industry, a market that will make alcohol prohibition look like a harmless little experiment in human rights oppression and criminal gang development. Think about it! Nicotine is far more addictive than alcohol and opium ever has been. That’s why so many people smoke, few ever quit, and smokers have crushed any attempt to ban it outright!
Fools in the mainstream public sphere combined with our attornies working with our inside political affiliates have successfully engineered yet another windfall for organized crime. THANKS SOCCER MOMS. Further info on specific profit opportunities will be forthcoming as they become available. The profit potential is beyond comprehension. We particularly need people with expertise in private prison lobbying and development, law enforcement organizational strategy consultants, and early innovators in both lethal and non-lethal specialized weapon technology to get those high lead time projects up and going as quickly as possible.
- Product Development For Our Silent Partners in Law Enforcement
Given the Department of Justice’s willingness to provide billions in grant funding to local law enforcement for special projects such as these, we expect a massively profitable market to emerge for specialty products related to the enforcement of the new vape laws.Non-lethal weapons development experts should focus on weapons that can be used routinely against minor children offenders without producing an effect that would tend to produce excessive tort litigation. Lethal weapons developers focus should be on one shot-one kill implements that increase the fatality rate, thus reducing the percentage of surviving potential tort litigant witnesses.
- Product Development/Improvement
International EX IM specialist capable of market sourcing less expensive alternative substitute products are needed as well. As usual, price is the primary concern in this regard. Safety of alternative substitutes and/or adulterants isn’t a material concern as long as the market sources aren’t easily traced.DON’T dismiss the importance of these new laws. They have the potential to create more criminals and incarcerate more innocent people than Nixon’s Controlled Substance Act if the initial fanatacism follows the typical pattern into advanced insanity that most drug control legislation follows in the ordinary course. This is the OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME to replace the increasingly lost revenue being experienced as a result of some governments finally rejecting the defective logic of the Controlled Substance Act. The illegal profits we derived from that ongoing now 50 year old fraud will look like peanuts in comparison to those these new vape laws are expected to produce.
Stake your claim to your rightful position at the top of the distribution chain TODAY before you’re left gunfighting for a spot at the bottom of the ladder for peanuts. Those shootouts are expected to make the meth industry’s conflicts look like paint ball matches.
A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE LEGISLATIVE PIONEERS THAT HAVE MADE THIS OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLE. WE COMMEND YOUR DEVOTION TO THE CHILDREN!
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After reading the comments on the post it haters. This all started with Dr Gotlieb on his way out of the FDA with the epidemic of youth vaping. He was pissed off with the negations with Alteria and felt mislead by them when Alteria dropped their own vaping products. Wasn’t much longer and Dr Scott was appointed a board member of Phiser, the maker of Americas #1 smoking cessation drug Chantix. $125,000 a month job.
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That drug should be banned out of existence! I was put on anti-depressants after taking Chantix and believe me I’m not an unhappy person but that insane FDA approved drug for smoking cessation almost made me off myself. So yeah, the FDA can kiss my southern backside and if you have loved ones keep them as FAR away from that drug as possible. 100 documented suicides that they don’t want to bring into the public eye, and many more attempts… nice little article on Web MD about this killer drug https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20080201/suicide-warning-antismoking-drug-chantix#1
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Oh you’re preaching to the choir here. I am all set to vape until I’m 100. If I make to to my nineties and still vaping, I might have to lower my nic a little 
FDA & gov’t ain’t gonna affect me personally, but being a vaper I don’t appreciate being ‘vilified’ for quitting smoking
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Apologies if it was accidentally worded to appear that I was suggesting ‘you’ needed to stock up. It was meant in general.
I’m sure most that have been around a while, have a pretty good stock of goodies to draw from. Like you, I’m set well past what I expect I’ll reach, age wise. I padded it a little, in case the wife decides to kick the butts, and join me vaping.
Stocking up is just an insurance policy. We hope we won’t need it, but still nice to have, in case.
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This Ogre thinks it’s horse shit at every level.
We have a lot of adolescent parents out there, and I don’t mean that in terms of age but in terms of mental maturity. They don’t parent and they seem to have a propensity to believe the gooberment can parent for them. That’s horse shit. Doesn’t work.
Regardless of how well a person can parent, there are some “children” that will make unhealthy choices. Vaping although an unhealthy choice is a habit with few substantial negative consequences. About on par with drinking coffee.
Some children and adults will have negative reactions to vaping. That’s no different from every other “alegin” in the planet. That’s part of being human and understanding your makeup.
The belief that a more perfect society can be achieved via ban is pure horse shit. Ban large soft drinks, SMH! The number of Tela-Tubbies waddling around NY has been unaffected. Alcohol, Drugs, Straws, carbon tetrachloride, etc., etc. all backfired with dire repercussions. Nothing more than a fool’s paradise.
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That last shop in my country closed today…For good
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