Or is it just me?
I was very kindly given a Velocity (v1 clone by Tobeco if my research is up to snuff) by @Whiterose0818 recently (Thanks again!!) which provided me a wonderful new way to try vaping.
To date, I’ve owned four different types of atty’s (aside from the Velocity):
- the Encore Minipro E-liquid Tank
http://www.buyencore.com/Encore-Minipro-E-liquid-Tank_p_91.html
I can thank this one (well, the device primarily, as it was a 1300maH so I didnt have to worry about battery issues through the day) for getting me off analogs!!
- then ‘graduated into’ the Nautilus Mini
(which served it’s time and purpose honorably!)
The above were VIF’d to a 30+yr friend (my ‘brother’), along with the mod that I bought (Encore Legacy) when I switched after a month and a half into quitting, transitioning to sub-ohm, in hopes that he could quit too since he’s had multiple bypasses already. This led to my (still) favorite so far, as I’ve tested several others in retail stores, and not found anything yet that compares to it flavor wise. (I’ve looooong thought about the Crown, and the Herakles Plus though, and did a shit ton of research on both of those PLUS others in the hunt…)
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the Cleito RTA w/‘fat boy’ tank
(Which I absolutely love, but got it mostly because I hated replacing coils just two 5-packs in. Also because I could see the FDA writing on the wall (back in March), and I didn’t want to be left in the cold for replacement coils.)
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then I got the Wismec Theorem.
1st off: LOVE the ramp time on this (using the SS ‘notch’)! Easy peasy to wick (using ‘wrap your own’ claptons -not home-built mind you, just wrapped from bought wire)! Hate, hate, hate
the substandard no-quality-checking POS glass substrate they chose to use (instead of REAL pyrex or suitable equivalent). Broke my first glass after a week and a half into having it, because it chipped on the way up off the deck, regardless of the fact that I was being super careful and gentle in the process. It was the ramp time on this that got me asking @Whiterose0818 for thoughts about SS and coil types…had no IDEA it’d lead to such kindness. (Also, I apologise brother for not getting back to that msg quicker -but the more I got to testing things, I figured it’d be better to toss the question up here so everyone could share their input, which meant, I had to do my due diligence in proper researching, etc. I hate half-assing things) -
How I vape:
These days? Mostly in the 36-55w range (though limited by coils/builds ATM). Quickly finding my way into the SS category (Thanks again to @Whiterose0818), and further, toying with the idea of ‘crazy folks’ builds category (hive, tiger, etc -purchased- not building, I’ve only got SO many hours in a day LOL) though strictly to gauge the differences between flavor. I refuse to get into serious coil building too!!
the substandard no-quality-checking POS glass substrate they chose to use (instead of REAL pyrex or suitable equivalent). Broke my first glass after a week and a half into having it, because it chipped on the way up off the deck, regardless of the fact that I was being super careful and gentle in the process. It was the ramp time on this that got me asking Chain vaping (for me) means (and I had to literally take a few sessions and monitor just how much and how long I do) this:
- take a good long 5-7 second pull…
- exhale, wait two-three seconds
- take another 5-7s draw
- rinse and repeat for a total of 4-6 times in a row.
Then I might take a couple minutes break…then resume another ‘run’.
I can (and have) easily killed 30ml bottles in less than a day, and sometimes more. I have no ‘average’ to go by, as I don’t really monitor it.
Anyways…the point of all this is thus:
Of the above units, I’ve never had an issue with heat (with respect to the tank itself) getting so hot that you don’t want to hold/touch it. Also, more worrysome is having it heat up the (very thickly silicone sleeved) device, and including the battery inside thus diminishing it’s life span!!
Methodology and findings:
** Not a full ‘scientific inquiry’ but as precise as I could muster without going ‘off the rails deep’ (and I know this is FAR more than alot would go, so I know…I know…but some appreciate it -or so I’ve been told before! This is for those types’ edification I guess -others like me! lol)
I used a Fluke 62 Infrared Thermometer for temps (fresh 9v battery installed)
- Device: Sigelei Spark 90w in wattage mode, set to 40w IIRC (all three devices were tested at the same wattage though, I did make sure of that!)
- waited 10m between sessions
(not enough to fully cool the mod itself, but checked the temps of the subsequent tank the instant it was screwed on, so the mod didn’t have time to transfer any residual heat to the ‘fresh tank’) - battery was a Samsung 25r5
Test #1 (Theorem)
Started out with a ‘cold’ (unused in the last 24+hrs) atty, took the temp, then started the stopwatch sessions and proceeded chain vaping.
Point Of Aim: at the cotton (between the coil, and the deck -before going into the resevoir below) I chose this primarily due to the idea that this should be the ‘hottest’ consistent spot, without ‘retaining extra heat’ via the deck etc. (And already i see a flaw in my logic as I type this >< -though the data is still interesting, and revealing. More on that thought shortly…)
Reference Temp: 80F (It was hot indoors the day I did this, and IIRC 102+ outside before heat index)
1st draw: 83 F
2nd draw: 86 F
3rd draw: 86.5 F
Battery Temp: 88 F
Continued vaping from there…but that was as ‘hot’ as it got. Still ‘cool’ to the touch when removed.
Test #2 (Cleito with RTA deck)
Point Of Aim: Two points.
The base itself (1st number), and then (2nd number) the deck itself. It took a few test tries to find the actually proximity of the coil edges (inside the chimney) relative to the chimney casing, but once located, I used the nearest/hottest point, since that heat’s directly transferred to the liquid inside the resevoir)
Reference Temp: 86F / 80F
(no idea why the base would be hotter just sitting, have to assume that 10-15m cooldown from earlier use -prior to testing the Theorem- wasn’t enough time for the base to reach ambient, however, it was enough time to cool the chimney to room temp, so I rolled with it.)
1st draw: 87F / 85F
2nd draw: 87F / 88F
3rd draw: 88.5F / 92.5
Battery Temp: 88 F
Continued vaping from there…but that was as ‘hot’ as it got. Slightly warm to touch when removed, but far from uncomfortable.
Test #3 (Velocity clone)
Dual 2.5mm kanthal claptons reading a total of .27ohm. Testing for this was a bit different, as it heat up so fast, and I couldn’t get a stable reading due to the temps climbing so fast between draws (while adhering to the 2-3 seconds between pulls) that I couldn’t take an accurate (read as: steady/stationary) measurement!
Point Of Aim: hottest point of casing nearest the hotter coil.
Reference Temp: 80 F (as it hadn’t been used in the last 16-18hrs)
1st draw: 88-92F
2nd draw: 98-102F
By this time, I was already seeing peaks in the 120F range And my mind raced to “Oh shit!! I wonder what the battery’s seeing?!” So I shut it down full stop post haste.
Stopped vaping right there…as even with the thick assed silicon sleeve Sigelei provided in their infinite wisdom (which, up until now, had really just been a ‘ooh, nice on the fingers’ gadget until I had a dripper).
The body of the atty was ‘F’in hot’ (now at 105F from heat continuing to disperse from the coils through the body) and the chassis of the Spark was at 96F (sleeve off) on the top and to the side!!! Temps gradually lowered as I went down the body to the bottom which now stood at 88F (sleeve off) -battery cover side.
Now, after taking a couple moments to take those readings, I pulled the battery cover off, and checked where the battery met the post and then the top of the battery itself (as before) and saw a whopping:
Battery Temp: 102 F.
This can’t be good for battery life (IMO), nor do I like the ‘discomfort’ of the mod getting so hot -through the silicone sleeve- that it’s almost enough to want to put it down. Much less the idea of what the electronics inside the mod are being subjected to (being the electronics tech. that I am)!
Oh! And about the whole ‘saw a flaw’ bit above, it hit me as I was typing that out, that I probably should have used the metal deck as a reference point on the Theorem, since it would retain more heat than the cotton would. But the thought at the time was that, the liquid stored in the cotton at that point would be just as hot, if not more than the deck, due to it’s “direct” association with the coil before touching the deck. >< Ah well. I was trying to be as logical and methodical as I could at the time I took the readings!!
Anyways… bottom line is this: Is this common for using drippers??? Or is this just my ‘dumb luck’ in action?
Please feel free to share your thoughts and experiences!
. I like my Stainless Steel Cuboid which seems to handle heating exceptionally well. I’ll just be over here …chain vaping. Thanks for the work!